Patrick - replying to a few previous posts re: Crust Malocchio vs any Riv model, but definately think a Roadeo is the way to go. I currently own a 61cm Crust Malocchio (have about 1,000 miles on it now) and a 61 cm Riv Roadeo (waterford built, had about 1,500 miles on it before selling) and non-lugged 61cm Roadini (maybe 500 miles before selling).
Fit/geo-wise, comofrt rating from most comfortable to least are: Roadini, Roadeo, Crust. The Crust is definatley long and low, a more aggresive geometry. I've been playing with options, but definately need a much shorter stem and higher handlebars on that one. The current ones have a carbon fork, so not as high -bar friendly. As far as ride goes, the Roadeo and Crust are most similar. The Roadini is in a different category. The Crust has a lower BB, which I think moderates the ability to accelerate, but makes it very comfortable to ride. The Roadeo was more responsive to pedal input. The Crust is more compliant (e.g., "planes" more) and has a smoother ride. It feels effortless when I ride it. The Crust is made of Columbus tubing, which I was skeptical about, but now I love it for how smooth and compliant it is. Not sure what the Roadeo was made of. The Crust feels faster than the Roadeo, but Strava says they are about the same. I can climb better on the Crust. My Crust is 22lbs (includes pedals and saddle), the Roadeo was 25 with similar set up, but had heavier wheels (36-spoke, Rich-built A23's laced to 105 hubs). The wheels on my Crust are the excellent Hunt SuperDura wheelset and are very light. I sometimes think the wheels make more difference in weight than the frame. The Roadini is reminiscint of my Surly LHT actually. It's heavier, more plodding, but extremely comfortable because of the super high stack and long wheelbase. I rode it up and over Vail Pass and it was fine. It was about 26 lbs. It's a great bike, but I wanted something more road-oriented. I might get one again because of neck issues actually. But I think the ideal would be a Roadini made from Columbus tubing with a slightly shorter chainstay - like a mashup of the Roadeo and Roadini. I never used to care about weight, but it does make a difference, not so much in speed, but in distance and how I feel after a ride. Nobilette also fixed the rear brake stay for me so I can ride 45's on the Crust if I want to, which is nice. Main reason I got rid of the Roadeo was that it was slightly too small and I wanted to fit bigtger tires. If the Crust had slightly higher stack and shorter reach, it would be perfect in my opinion. Good luck on finding your road bike. Ryan On Saturday, September 13, 2025 at 7:15:08 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote: > I’d gladly have Chauncey Matthews clone the 1999 but he stopped building > frames in 2020; alas. > > 2 years is too long to wait for a new one. > > I’ll keep my eye out for a used Roadeo in 57 or perhaps an original Road > or early road custom; and think about a custom of my own. > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2025 at 5:57 AM Ryan Fleming <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Re:Eric's frame....Joe Starck or Match-built after Rivendell stopped >> using Waterford exclusively? Lovely bike...glad the decision to keep it >> worked out for you >> >> I think Ben's right that a used Roadeo sounds like the ticket...OTOH, the >> financial pain of a new one might be somewhat mitigated by the long lead >> time (2 years)between initial(non-refundable) deposit of 1400.00 and final >> balance due, however. >> >> That being said, in 2+ years, a lot can happen that might make Patrick >> regret his decision, of course. >> >> Patrick, you used Matthews before. Couldn't you reach out to him to work >> with you on what you have in mind? Or is he no longer in business? >> >> On Friday, September 12, 2025 at 7:40:40 PM UTC-5 Ben Miller wrote: >> >>> Patrick, >>> >>> It sounds like you need to find a deal on a used 57 Roadeo frame! >>> >>> On Friday, September 12, 2025 at 3:34:25 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>>> I should clarify my rather fuzzy thoughts. Sure, I’d prefer tubing >>>> lighter than Rivendell has used for its old Road frames but I want even >>>> more the signature Rivendell fit and feel, and also as much as possible a >>>> turnkey product , so for the right price I’d settle for a used, older = >>>> known quantity road standard or more conventional road custom; or a Roadeo >>>> if affordable. >>>> >>>> If I want everything, I expect it will have to be a custom. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 4:28 PM Patrick Moore <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lovely. Do you know who built it? If things were then what they are >>>>> now, I might well have bought it. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the Rons link; I’ll investigate. >>>>> >>>>> Which I did. I can live with the compact geometry — I’d choose a 56 >>>>> tt/ — wait, st 49 cm c to* top?? *I’m not used to such compact sizing >>>>> as my fitted level tt size is 60 X 56 c-c. >>>>> >>>>> But the deal killer is the sta: 74*. I can live with a 73 but would >>>>> prefer a 72. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 3:48 PM EGNolan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Patrick, >>>>>> Where were you when I was trying to sell my late 90's Road Standard >>>>>> frame in May? It's a 57. After only a couple lowball (to me) offers, I >>>>>> decided to keep it, re-build it with Choco bars and since then, I've put >>>>>> more than 1800 miles on it and it has become my favorite bike for most >>>>>> things. It, too, is mostly 753 tubing, so not the lightest, but it rides >>>>>> really well and makes my Appaloosa feel sluggish by comparison. I'm >>>>>> faster >>>>>> on my little carbon aero bike (Felt AR1 team I got for less than the >>>>>> shifters should cost) but I'm not as comfortable or confident for long >>>>>> distances. (as an aside, the Choco bars set up like I have them are even >>>>>> better than the drops on the Felt as the main "on the hoods" position is >>>>>> wonderful, but I can sit more upright when braking, which is handy in >>>>>> the >>>>>> city). >>>>>> >>>>>> The new Rons mid reach country road bike >>>>>> <https://ronsbikes.com/products/mid-reach-road-bike> sounds pretty >>>>>> similar to what you're looking for if you're more into US made, super >>>>>> light, sloping & modern geo. Twice as much as the Crust, but it looks >>>>>> pretty nice to my eyes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good Luck with whatever you decide. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Eric >>>>>> Indpls >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, September 12, 2025 at 4:34:28 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2025, at 1:09 PM, Patrick Moore <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> someone said that Herons had lighter tubing than the old Riv Road 753 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Probably not. Heron frames (the originals from my era) are 8/5/8 TT >>>>>>> and 9/6/9 DT, and the stays aren’t especially light. 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