Oh, and I also just got one of the new RBW water bottles today. I features a winged sheep wearing a golden crown atop it's head like a halo. A subtle nod to the Ram being the best Riv frame??? ;)
On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 7:19:54 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote: > I have a 61 cm Roadeo and a 64 cm Rambouillet. I've had the Roadeo since > '14 and the Ram since '21. I'm glad Patrick likes his Roadeo (it's a great > bike!), but I am gonna throw some cold water on this here thread. > > For all intents and purposes the Ram and Roadeo are the same bike. There > are some minor differences in geometry between them: Ram has an extra 1 cm > of chainstay length, it also may have ever so slightly less rake and > therefore less trail, and, most surprisely, a bit more BB drop than the > Roadeo. But we are talking really small differences here. And yes, the Ram > also has slightly thicker tubing, but again in a surprising way, the butts > are thicker on the Ram, but the belly of the tubing appears to the be the > same on both (8-5-8 vs 7-5-4). Not sure if the butts are also somehow > correspondingly shorter, leading to Grant's comment about the tubing be a > reason why no DT bosses. > > But I can tell you they handle exactly the same. I have both mine setup > pretty similar: same handlebars (but 2 cm wider on the Ram), same extra > ligre RH 700x38's, same pedals, both centerpull brakes. The biggest > difference is probably the STI Ultegra shifter's on the Roadeo vs the Ram's > friction DT's. I do wish the Roadeo also had DT bosses, but then again I > have the Ram for that. > > Both bikes are an absolute dream to ride. I've put alot of km's on the > Roadeo and that's the bike I've done my most epic rides on. But (and I > think Leah will appreciate what I'm gonna say next) I just feel like the > Ram has a bit more personality to it. Maybe it's the headbadge. Maybe it's > the DT friction shifters. Maybe it's the color? And I've also had some epic > rides on the Ram too and find myself pulling it off the hook alot more than > the Roadeo lately. But I did ride the Roadeo recently and now thinking > about it, I think I'll vow to fix the nagging issues I have with it (I > absolutely hate the cable housing I used on the last overhaul: it feels > crunchy when engaged). So, in a way, I think doing a little bit of what > Leah suggests: I got a couple of the same heavenly bike, made different > iterations, and I should probably just ride off into sunset. > > And to answer Waffle's question: no, the Roaduni is essentially a single > speed Roadini. And my understanding is that Roadini does have a pretty > significant differences between it and the Roadeo. > > On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 6:16:56 PM UTC-7 [email protected] > wrote: > >> Hello is the roadeo = roaduno? >> >> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025, 8:07 am Garth, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> About that link in reference to the DT shift bosses on the Roadeo, I got >>> a good laugh with former written identity about "who would ride DT shifters >>> on a Bombadil ?". >>> That'd be ME ! Ahahahahahaha ! And the trusty 1980something Suntour >>> Sprint ones at that, utterly marvelous mechanisms. I have 3 and one half >>> sets, one set still new, ready for my next bike :-) The 31.8mm DT sets them >>> apart by just a tiny but noticeable amount. >>> >>> Never say never, but I doubt I'll be using brifters, let alone indexed >>> DT shifters anytime soon. DT shifters offer such good feel for the >>> derailleur. Very precise. I still have some wonky jumps w/9-speed in the >>> cold when head is covered though, as modern cog design makes for such easy >>> movement, intentional or not ! Sachs 7sp FW is like 7 single speed cogs, >>> once in place on a given cog it isn't moving easily. That my story and >>> sticking to it :) ..... like a candle in the wind that is ! >>> On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 6:28:24 PM UTC-4 Mojo wrote: >>> >>>> From my quiver and perspective, my Legolas (arguably a gravel Roadeo) >>>> is more nimble than my 2001 custom, which is more nimble than my Quickbeam. >>>> >>>> Joe in GJT >>>> >>>> On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 12:58:51 PM UTC-6 [email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just found this, with regard to DT bosses: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/jGVJ1Xk__e0/m/dEk9Mg2jXb4J >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 11:40:56 AM UTC-7 Pat McCullar wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have a vague (and possibly incorrect) recollection that the Rodeo >>>>>> was *originally* only available without the downtube bosses, at >>>>>> least partially because it allowed thinner walls for the downtube. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pat >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 11:35:32 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "The issue I have with ROADEO is no DT lever bosses." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is an incorrect statement. The Roadeo is/was built to order, >>>>>>> and when one ordered a Roadeo, they specified a small number of things, >>>>>>> including whether or not they wanted down tube shifter bosses. My >>>>>>> Roadeo >>>>>>> has down tube shifter bosses, because I ordered it that way. Some >>>>>>> Roadeo >>>>>>> frames out there in second-hand-land don't have down tube shifter >>>>>>> bosses >>>>>>> because the human being who originally ordered it didn't choose down >>>>>>> tube >>>>>>> shifter bosses. When there has been a floor model Roadeo at Riv HQ, it >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> usually been spec'd by Mark Abele, who tends to like brifters and the >>>>>>> minimalist setup of an inline barrel adjuster and slotted stops on the >>>>>>> down >>>>>>> tube. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One time when I walked in, several years back, Will told me that the >>>>>>> staff was split 50/50 on whether to do down tube shifter bosses on the >>>>>>> new >>>>>>> forthcoming Leo Roadini model, and Will asked me to cast the >>>>>>> tie-breaking >>>>>>> vote. I voted for down tube shifter bosses, and the Roadini still has >>>>>>> them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>> On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 11:22:05 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hopped on the RAM @ 2004, still aboard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Joe Bell applied his magic a few years ago to clean up a small spot >>>>>>>> of corrosion in a.weird place under one of the seat-stays. I'm crazy >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> that kind of stuff, just can't have it. RAM replaced a Waterford RSE22 >>>>>>>> (road sport extended) which, for some reason, didn't work for me—and >>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>> WF retired RSE shortly thereafter. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I suspect ROADEO is a bit lighter but RAM works well for >>>>>>>> me...certainly as entertaining as my custom, skinny-tube EBISU which >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> quite spritely for want of a better word. The issue I have with ROADEO >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> no DT lever bosses. The complexity of brifters annoys me so I'm >>>>>>>> married to >>>>>>>> DA downtube levers...and I enjoy the shifting. Right hand for both >>>>>>>> derailers—the way Eddy used to do it 🙃 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> YMMV, of course, but some of our eccentricities remind me of >>>>>>>> arguing about those angels on the head of a pin. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jock (who's writing rather than pedaling on account of too wet out >>>>>>>> there just now) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2025 at 9:54 AM Patrick Moore <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That’s very interesting; thanks. At least, it reassures me that my >>>>>>>>> “no science used here” seat-of-pants estimation of ride differences >>>>>>>>> isn’t >>>>>>>>> pure fantasy. At any rate, the Roadeo seems to have hit the perfect >>>>>>>>> mix of >>>>>>>>> stability and agility to suite my very particular taste. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2025 at 10:40 AM Pat McCullar <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've never ridden a Roadeo or a Rambouillet, but I do have a >>>>>>>>>> custom that Rivendell refers to as a "semi-relaxed road bike". After >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> visit to Rivendell earlier this year, and a discussion with Grant, I >>>>>>>>>> came >>>>>>>>>> away with the following understanding of the difference of these >>>>>>>>>> bikes: the >>>>>>>>>> Roadeo is more nimble than my custom; my custom is more nimble than >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> Rambouillet. Grant referred to head-tube shallowness (I think), not >>>>>>>>>> nimbleness, but I think the one affects the other. I think that >>>>>>>>>> would be >>>>>>>>>> consistent with your experience with your new Roadeo and memories >>>>>>>>>> of your >>>>>>>>>> Rambouillet. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I did ride a Roadini while I as there, but not enough to >>>>>>>>>> appreciate any difference from my custom. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pat >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 9:15:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, a stable of at least 4, no make that 5, heck, let’s say 6 >>>>>>>>>>> sparkling Roadeos each with different builds and colors (19 lb >>>>>>>>>>> gofast, 17 >>>>>>>>>>> lb fixed gear gofast, errand/commuting multispeed IGH fixed with >>>>>>>>>>> racks, >>>>>>>>>>> fenders, lights, ditto IGH freewheel (AM hub) errand, dirt road >>>>>>>>>>> model >>>>>>>>>>> modified with new fork to take 48s, oh, the possibilities are >>>>>>>>>>> endless! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I’m very grateful to have the one. I do wish the components >>>>>>>>>>> weren’t anodized black that scuffs and scratches so easily, but I >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> change that in the future. Meanwhile I have been very pleasantly >>>>>>>>>>> surprised >>>>>>>>>>> at how much I like it as-is. I just fear that it might become my >>>>>>>>>>> fave, and >>>>>>>>>>> then what will I say to the 1999? Even worse, riding with multiple >>>>>>>>>>> derailleur gears may become my new normal instead of riding fixed >>>>>>>>>>> gear. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Immediate changes: try a nice pair of original Dura Ace single >>>>>>>>>>> pivots, the model with the very nice barrel-shaped qr, with salmon >>>>>>>>>>> pads of >>>>>>>>>>> course, in place of the lackluster Tektros with OEM pads; switch >>>>>>>>>>> braking to >>>>>>>>>>> right lever/front brake; replace the 11-32 with a 14-32 to get rid >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> annoying mid-range 2-tooth gaps. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Will keep reporting … and reporting, and reporting, and >>>>>>>>>>> reporting, and repor... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2025 at 5:55 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Do like me, get a couple more of the same heavenly bike, make >>>>>>>>>>>> different iterations, ride off into sunset. 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