I love the Albatross bars. I keep coming back to them on my bikes... They 
really are just right for a lot of riding.

I also REALLY like the Tosco bars (tried Boscos, didn't like 'em) for 
touring and offroading. I have some of the 600mm wide ones, which are just 
right IMO (and still have a 25.4 clamp area). 

But I'm with some of the other guys about being pre-stoked on the new Riv 
offering. Can't wait to see what it'll be - but something in between the 
wavie and the billie sounds excellent.

john
On Thursday, November 27, 2025 at 2:44:43 AM UTC+1 [email protected] wrote:

> Andy, I have ridden with an Albatross (upright and flipped), a VO Granola 
> and a Billie. All are great bars.  The Albatross (upright) and Biilie are 
> both in current use. The Granola is awaiting my next Riv; a Sam Hillborne. 
> I'm planning to try it flipped. I enjoyed the flipped Alba but with a 50mm 
> rise it was a bit too low for me.
>
> Bottom line; all three work nicely with comfortable fore and aft positions 
> on and off road. Note that the Granola is only available with a 31.8 clamp 
> area
>
> Steve In AVL
> On Wednesday, November 26, 2025 at 3:02:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Shaw wrote:
>
>> Regarding the new Wavie/Billie bar, James at Riv said there had been some 
>> production delays with the new bar, so it's currently looking like a late 
>> December or early January delivery. They'll have more info on the site in a 
>> month or so. It's based on the billie/albatross and wavie bars that are 
>> really great but it falls somewhere in the middle. 
>>
>> Looking forward to the release. 
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 1:04 PM Bruce F. Byker James <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I ended up with the Clarence with Cletus extensions after first trying 
>>> the VO Crazy Bars (version 2 with less sweep), and finding them too wide 
>>> and not swept enough. They’re perfect in my tandem, though.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 10:41 AM Andy Beichler <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I appreciate the offer, but the Wonder Bars are not quite what I am 
>>>> looking for.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 25, 2025 at 3:46:10 PM UTC-5 Dan Sullivan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you want more sweep I have a set of mounted but otherwise unused 
>>>> Sycip Wonder Bars you could have for cheap, say $15 plus whatever shipping 
>>>> costs. (This just came to me as I was replying to this post, didn't come 
>>>> here to sell you something so no problem if you ignore me.  That said if 
>>>> you want pics and specs pm me).
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