Andy, I have ridden with an Albatross (upright and flipped), a VO Granola 
and a Billie. All are great bars.  The Albatross (upright) and Biilie are 
both in current use. The Granola is awaiting my next Riv; a Sam Hillborne. 
I'm planning to try it flipped. I enjoyed the flipped Alba but with a 50mm 
rise it was a bit too low for me.

Bottom line; all three work nicely with comfortable fore and aft positions 
on and off road. Note that the Granola is only available with a 31.8 clamp 
area

Steve In AVL
On Wednesday, November 26, 2025 at 3:02:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Shaw wrote:

> Regarding the new Wavie/Billie bar, James at Riv said there had been some 
> production delays with the new bar, so it's currently looking like a late 
> December or early January delivery. They'll have more info on the site in a 
> month or so. It's based on the billie/albatross and wavie bars that are 
> really great but it falls somewhere in the middle. 
>
> Looking forward to the release. 
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 1:04 PM Bruce F. Byker James <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>
>> I ended up with the Clarence with Cletus extensions after first trying 
>> the VO Crazy Bars (version 2 with less sweep), and finding them too wide 
>> and not swept enough. They’re perfect in my tandem, though.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 10:41 AM Andy Beichler <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I appreciate the offer, but the Wonder Bars are not quite what I am 
>>> looking for.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 25, 2025 at 3:46:10 PM UTC-5 Dan Sullivan wrote:
>>>
>>> If you want more sweep I have a set of mounted but otherwise unused 
>>> Sycip Wonder Bars you could have for cheap, say $15 plus whatever shipping 
>>> costs. (This just came to me as I was replying to this post, didn't come 
>>> here to sell you something so no problem if you ignore me.  That said if 
>>> you want pics and specs pm me).
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