On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Garth <[email protected]> wrote:
>For me the idea that you need to be hunched over to ride effectively
has been busted. It may be fine and necessary  for racing, but even
racers don't ride like this for long periods, and they are paid to go
fast.

Are you saying that riding in the hooks on low bars is "bunched up"?
If so, you are doing what you criticize the other for: making
unwarranted assumptions and playing straw man (that's two fallacies).
A low bar, butt back position can be *very* comfortable, at least for
some people: I often get into the hooks, bars 2" below saddle, because
it is a comfortable change from the hoods.

My local riding is very hilly, with grades up to 19%.  Like I said
earlier, the bar makes no difference uphill, I climb the same as I did
with drops. Downhill though, I like the Alba better. I used to be all
about getting the max speed I could. I never noticed my surrounds much
though in my futile quest for speed. with the Alba bar, I can go full
tuck if I want to and go fast .... but I prefer to sit up some so I
can take in the whole scenic picture. I can't tell you how many times,
in my quest for speed ..... I overlook where I'm at. My mind is so
concerned with "getting there" I'm deaf, dumb and blind to where I'm
at. That sucks really. Life is short . .  . . so short.

Again, assumptions: some people get *pleasure* out of pushing
themselves. Don't *assume* everyone is really like you.


Hill climbing and riding into headwinds is mostly in the head.

Bullshit. Come to Albuquerque, expecially in the spring, and try
pushing a 70" or 75" gear into a 30 mph headwind.

Try pushing the same gears up a 7 mile climb from 4900 to 6500 feet.

This is
very revealing . Is the hill/wind an obstacle or an Allie

That's "ally".

? It doesn't
matter your position, or your physical ability . .. .  you are where
you are, you do the best you can, and you benefit from the experience,

This is a truism.

period.   All the thoughts of I coulda woulda shoulda ..... and the
yeah, but ......  are just bologna.

And this refers to what?

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