The stock bb and XD2 on my Sam Hill had a Q of just about 160 mm
(which is just about as much as I can tolerate; adding MKS touring
pedals, with their relatively wide platform and relatively wide gap
between arm and cage, made the Q unwieldy). Fortunately, the same bb
and cranset (170s in  my case) swapped over perfectly to the Fargo
with the left arm clearing the left stay by about 2 mm.

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:03 PM, andrew hill <[email protected]> wrote:
> hi folks,
> i'm looking at building up my next Riv in some road-ish configuration for a
> fast/light trainer.. this will probably going to be based on a canti-Rom (or
> a Roadeo), and i want to make good choices to help alleviate some knee
> problems i've had with my Sam Hillborne.
> the Sam has a Sugino XD2 with 175mm cranks, and i experienced some rather
> bad ITB pain on the right side starting 60 miles into a century.  at the
> time i thought it was because i was clipped into the pedals and didn't have
> enough float, and while i do think some cleat mis-adjustment might have
> contributed, i've continued to have some minor pain in that knee all summer
> when doing short rides (6 miles) while using only platforms (after taking
> almost 2 months off riding to allow it to heal).
> so i'm wondering if the Q factor and crank length are something i should
> change on my next bike.
> some relevant info - i'm 5'11 but with a pbh of 84.5 (rounded up a few mm),
> so i've got short legs and long torso.  in addition, i rode a 19" Gary
> Fisher Cobia 29er for the past few years and never experienced even a twinge
> of pain doing 12-30 mile rides, and ~ 75+ miles a week with clip-ins; the
> Fisher also had 175 cranks, and a Q-factor of 166.  I believe the Q on the
> SD2's are about the same (165), but i'm not sure what the BB width that came
> with the Sam is, so it's possible the Fisher had a larger effective Q...?
> i'd like to go back to SPD clip-ins, as i never had a problem before my
> century ride last june, and based on some recent threads on this list, i'm
> planning on going with a shorter crank.. i'm thinking 170mm, as i doubt
> 172.5 will make much of a difference (but i'd love to hear dissenting
> opinions).
> also - anyone know how "typical" the Q the Sam with stock BB and SD2 is?
> any advice on how to minimize ITB issues when setting up a Riv in a road-ish
> fashion?  i'm assuming i DONT want to go for a compact double with narrow Q,
> but might want to get a wider BB or a set of cranks with a larger tread.
> thanks,
> andrew
>
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