Andrew, ITB pain sucks!  I'm slowly digging out of my ITB pain cave.  I
think your cranks may be too long.  175 on a MTB with varied speed and
revolutions is different than a constant spin on the road  That's what I
found out for myself.

What I did:  lowered saddle by 3-5mm, moved EXCLUSIVELY to SPDs,  moved
cleats inward to push shoes out (raising Q) and canted heels in as far as
possible.  Also stretching, anti-inflammatories, a foam roller and
occasionally ice.

I went from not being able to do 20 miles to now regularly doing
50<http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5023469511/>and 60 mile
rides.  I can still feel pangs of the ITB, so it's not cured,
but greatly reduced.

As always, YMM significantly V.

Hope that helps some!

David

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 1:03 PM, andrew hill <[email protected]> wrote:

> hi folks,
>
> i'm looking at building up my next Riv in some road-ish configuration for a
> fast/light trainer.. this will probably going to be based on a canti-Rom (or
> a Roadeo), and i want to make good choices to help alleviate some knee
> problems i've had with my Sam Hillborne.
>
> the Sam has a Sugino XD2 with 175mm cranks, and i experienced some rather
> bad ITB pain on the right side starting 60 miles into a century.  at the
> time i thought it was because i was clipped into the pedals and didn't have
> enough float, and while i do think some cleat mis-adjustment might have
> contributed, i've continued to have some minor pain in that knee all summer
> when doing short rides (6 miles) while using only platforms (after taking
> almost 2 months off riding to allow it to heal).
>
> so i'm wondering if the Q factor and crank length are something i should
> change on my next bike.
>
> some relevant info - i'm 5'11 but with a pbh of 84.5 (rounded *up* a few
> mm), so i've got short legs and long torso.  in addition, i rode a 19" Gary
> Fisher Cobia 29er for the past few years and never experienced even a twinge
> of pain doing 12-30 mile rides, and ~ 75+ miles a week with clip-ins; the
> Fisher also had 175 cranks, and a Q-factor of 166.  I believe the Q on the
> SD2's are about the same (165), but i'm not sure what the BB width that came
> with the Sam is, so it's possible the Fisher had a larger effective Q...?
>
> i'd like to go back to SPD clip-ins, as i never had a problem before my
> century ride last june, and based on some recent threads on this list, i'm
> planning on going with a shorter crank.. i'm thinking 170mm, as i doubt
> 172.5 will make much of a difference (but i'd love to hear dissenting
> opinions).
>
> also - anyone know how "typical" the Q the Sam with stock BB and SD2 is?
> any advice on how to minimize ITB issues when setting up a Riv in a road-ish
> fashion?  i'm assuming i DONT want to go for a compact double with narrow Q,
> but might want to get a wider BB or a set of cranks with a larger tread.
>
> thanks,
> andrew
>
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