I did a quite scientific study of this earlier this summer.  The results:  Not
much difference.<http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2010/05/bike-servations.html>
The good news is that both bikes are a lot of fun to ride!

Almost got out for a ride today, but clear spells always seemed to line up
with day-care duties.

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:01 PM, charlie <charles_v...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Yea really............the one pound frame weight diff can't make one
> bike a "thudder" (whatever that means) its got to be the combination
> of elements that influence ride qualities. As far as performance goes
> you'd have to measure it over a long period and have direct
> comparisons which is really hard to do. Headwinds, my energy,
> hydration etc. there are so many variables that it just seems too
> difficult to make comparisons. I have several bikes that range in
> weight and components and even type and there seems to be no rhyme or
> reason as to why one days "fast ride" happens on the heavy bike and
> the next ride on the race bike is actually slower.  Actually I don't
> even care........ I just want a derailleurless frame that will take
> some use buy a middle aged, overweight guy who wants to ride to work
> in the spring and summer and not have it prematurely crack somewhere.
> A little thicker tubing makes me feel better about my purchase in the
> long run.......perhaps its a non issue in the real world as it appears
> some of you are riding your QB's loaded with groceries or hopping ruts
> and rocks on trails. That's certainly not something I would be doing
> but rather up to 96 miles of smooth pavement during the week...... and
> the primal diet.
>
> On Nov 20, 1:46 pm, CycloFiend <cyclofi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > on 11/20/10 5:49 AM, robert zeidler at zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Just as an added thought.... He is going too far in the "stout"
> direction.
> >  These things are way overbuilt and as a result, too heavy, or at least
> > heaveir than they ought to be.  I know they don't care about that, but at
> > the end of a long day, that is when you start to notice the weight.  I
> used
> > think, well, I'll just get 5 lbs lighter and it's a wash, but it doesn't
> > work that way for some reason.  My .02, YMMV.
> >
> > I'd have to dig back into my notes, but I think the resultant frame
> > differences between "heavy" tubing and "light" tubing might mean a pound
> on
> > a ~60 cm frame.
> >
> > Now, you might be able to come up with a five pound difference in the
> full
> > build pretty readily, but it's not specifically a frameset issue.
> >
> > It does seem that the most recent models and revisions have tended
> towards
> > stouter framesets, but now that those changes have shaken through, we're
> > presented with a range of models, which you could think of as "limber" to
> > "stout"...
> >
> > Roadeo/San Marcos - > Hilsen - > Hillborne -> Atlantis -> Hunquapillar -
> >
> > Bombadil
> >
> > My Quickbeam seems just a hair more limber than my Hilsen, and they are
> both
> > right in that range of feel that works for just about everything I like
> to
> > do.
> >
> > - Jim
> >
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probably benefit more from
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