The shimmy article was OK. In general, I'm not a fan of every BQ
article I read, but BQ is the only publication I read cover to cover
every time.

FWIW the two fender articles alone make buying a copy worthwhile.


On Dec 10, 2:07 pm, William <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jan
>
> I'm extremely flattered at your almost instant reply.  I don't know if
> that means you regularly read the list or if somebody you know does.
> I admire your work deeply and endorse your publication
> enthusiastically.  Every copy of BQ I've seen has had something
> astonishing for me.  This issue was no different.  I am pleased to be
> a subscriber.
>
> Regarding shimmy, it's possible that my expectations were
> unrealistic.  I thought I'd learn some conclusive, empirically
> testable conclusions, and I didn't get that.  That being the state of
> things, I'm motivated now to experiment myself.  I'm certain that you
> encourage that, and your article actually has helped urge me to do
> that which I think is a positive outcome.
>
> The things that 100% can agree upon is that shimmy is an oscillation.
> For that reason, it is easy to assume that there should be a spring
> +mass+damper model that can be used to understand the system.
> Whatever that system is, we can also agree, I think, that there exists
> some excitation force is acting on that system and making it
> oscillate.  The missing piece in the few articles I've read prior to
> yours is a failure to establish and define what any of these things
> even are.  What is the spring?  You argue that it is the flexing
> torsion of the frame, but then concede that both the stiff frames you
> hate nor the flexy frames you love both don't shimmy.  You imply that
> tire flex has something to do with the system, but it's not clear to
> me whether you think it's part of the spring, the mass, the damper,
> the exitation force, a combination, or all four.  What is the mass?
> Some suggest that it is only the steering parts, others state it is
> everything including rider and the rear part of the bike.  What's the
> damper?  You argue that it's the stuff that hinders rotation: headset
> plus riders hands, and indirectly the riders leg squeezing the top
> tube.  J. Brandt says tire tread is also a significant damper.
> Regarding the excitation force, there is no consensus of what it is or
> where it comes from.  Sheldon(RIP) said it came from the back end of
> the bike, J. Brandt says it comes from the spinning wheel and
> sometimes from the natural frequency of human shivering.  You, I
> think, allow it to be anything, since it is the amplifying or
> attenuating property of the system that is important, hence the
> artificial whacking the top tube to get it going.  If there isn't even
> consensus on what the system is, then there is no hope to formally
> construct a comprehensive understanding of that system.
>
> It very well may be that shimmy is just a property of a bike+rider
> system that is the unknown functional combination of numerous
> unmeasurable variables.  If that's the real answer, then maybe you're
> recommendation is the only one that works:
>
> If your bike shimmies, change something
> If it got better, be happy or change the same thing even more
> If it got worse, change the same thing in the other direction
> If it stayed the same, change something else
>
> Again, my opinions about whether or not your article not meets my
> expectations does not reflect on the quality of your contributions to
> the cycling world.  I hoped that your article starts a dialogue that
> gets the topic driven to a more satisfying scientific understanding.
> It all strikes me as voodoo right now.  With all due respect, this
> needle bearing headset thing, especially, strikes me as voodoo.
>
> Bill
>
> On Dec 10, 10:29 am, Jan Heine <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > William,
>
> > I am sorry you are disappointed with our article on shimmy. We tried
> > to offer summary of the factors that appear to cause or exacerbate
> > shimmy. After all, we know that some bikes rarely shimmy (heavy tubes,
> > long trail, no load, skinny tires). It appears that shimmy is a multi-
> > faceted problem with more than one cause and more than one solution.
> > To provide a complete picture, we presented other opinions on the
> > issue, which may help you in your own research... I find it
> > fascinating what people thought about these things 50 or 70 years ago.
>
> > Most of all, we felt the need to publish this article, because we very
> > much like bikes with optimized handling, wide supple tires, relatively
> > flexible tubing, etc. The one downside of these bikes is a greater
> > tendency to display shimmy. Of course, your Sam Hillborne shows that
> > even bikes that are very different also can display persistent shimmy.
> > And none of our favorite bikes shimmies a lot, so low trail, front
> > loads, wide supple tires and relatively flexible tubing don't
> > automatically result in a bike that shimmies. I am beginning to
> > believe that all bikes have a tendency to shimmy, and depending on a
> > number of factors, the oscillations either are dampened or self-
> > reinforce.
>
> > For your bike, if you don't already have a needle-bearing headset, I'd
> > give it a try. That is the only thing we have found to work
> > consistently in "curing" shimmy or at least reducing it so that it
> > appears only rarely. You may also try to switch to narrow, stiff
> > tires, but there are downsides to that. If you are carrying a load on
> > your bike, you could try using a backpack (with its own downsides).
> > It's hard to change the tubing or geometry of your bike...
>
> > I don't know what you expected in the article, but I would like to
> > remind you that we offer a money-back guarantee for the unused portion
> > of your subscription. And if your experiments yield something
> > conclusive, please let us know. We'd love to publish your experiences
> > as an additional piece to the puzzle.
>
> > Jan Heine
> > Editor
> > Bicycle Quarterlyhttp://www.bikequarterly.com
>
> > Follow our blog athttp://janheine.wordpress.com/
>
>

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