Thanks, Bill -- useful perspective. I will consider used cf (as well as 
titanium) if and when. My problem is that I've  not ridden a racing  bike with 
modern geometry, so it's good to have esperienced opinions from those who share 
certain fit and handling preferences,

Fwiw, my experiences with Brooks saddles is the same as yours. I went back to 
Flites and Turbos.

Patrick Moore
Typed with two thumbs on my
iPhone

On Jan 1, 2012, at 9:51 PM, "Bill M." <[email protected]> wrote:

> Patrick,
> 
> I am lucky enough to have both a Calfee Tetra Pro and a 1995 Riv Road
> Standard.  The Calfee is lighter by several pounds, and feels more
> responsive and racy.  The first time I rode it up a short 8% climb
> (the only 'hill' within 20 miles of my house) I was astonished at the
> gear I used, a couple or three cogs higher than I was used to using.
> That evens out on a longer climb, of course, but the Calfee really
> jumps when I try to crank up some speed.  I also find I have fewer
> problems with hand numbness on the Calfee despite the bars being a
> couple of cm lower.  I credit that to a different fit, the compact
> bars on the Calfee vs. Noodles on the Riv, and the Brooks on the Riv
> vs. the modern saddle on the Calfee.  On the Brooks I'm always hunting
> for that magic adjustment that will keep me in place without hand
> pressure, but not squish my softer bits.  I may never find it.  Too
> bad, the Brooks looks so good on the dark green Riv.
> 
> I bought the Calfee frame slightly used for about 1/3 the price of a
> new one, or 1/2 the price of a new Roadeo.  For that price it was a no-
> brainer.  I use it strictly for club rides where I will be pushing
> myself hard, and don't carry more gear than will fit in my jersey
> pockets.  I's a great bike for that kind of behavior.
> 
> The Riv is currently outfitted quasi-Passhunter style, with low
> gearing (46/30 x 11/32) and 32 mm Rando Hypers (they *barely* fit).  I
> ride it when I'm out solo, and have a more relaxed attatude.  The
> Riv's drivetrain and wheels should eventually move over to a Rawland
> Nordavinden that will handle the bigger rubber with some room for
> error, and the Riv will revert to use as a fixed gear, maybe with an
> S3X IG hub.
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Jan 1, 1:32 pm, PATRICK MOORE <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Several listers have mentioned Calfee. Maybe this would be a place where a
>> CF bike would be appropriate. I'd love to hear comparos of Calfees with
>> other, more Rivendellian models.
>> 
>> Tho' I fear to hear what a Calfee costs ...
>> 
>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:23 PM, robert zeidler 
>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> It's a nice problem to have.
>>> When I went that route, I went Calfee (gasp!)
>> 
>>> RGZ
>> 
>>> On Sunday, January 1, 2012, PATRICK MOORE <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Hardly have sold the Herse and I am salivating at the thought of
>>> something new. What I need, I say, *need*, is a gofast multispeed bike
>>> (with coasting capability); no gd fenders, racks -- I've got plenty of
>>> bikes that will take fenders, racks and loads. This would be for fair
>>> weather, no-load, cycling-kit-wearing (but wool kit), lightweight rides. No
>>> tire fatter than 28 and 26 acceptable.
>>>> Now I am sure that the Roadeo is a better bike and I know that fender
>>> and 32 mm clearance won't take from its speed; but the R would run upward
>>> of $4K minimum built with used parts, and I would hope to find a RB1 or
>>> similar classic for less.
>>>> I want something that is fast to accelerate, climbs well, corners
>>> "intuitively" and that will well fit a long torso and short limbs.
>>>> Perhaps I ought to convert my 1999 650C Joe Starck fixie custom to a
>>> gearie (having converted my '03 Curt gearie to a fixed commuter). Actually,
>>> now that I think of that, this might make sense -- unless I convert the '99
>>> to a trike.
>>>> Seriously, Rodeo or RB1 or clone?
>> 
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