Please understand, it's not an opinion, it's a basis for a real life discussion, unlike those folks in D.C. seem able to do.
And you already live in that country. I don't have any wealth, but I'd like to think that if I were fortunate enough to feel comfortable that the result of the necessary hard work and sacrifice wouldn't be handed over to those who, freely and rightly, had no such ambitions. Along the same lines, if I'm living a relatively existence and rarely go to the doctor while everyone else down the block smokes, drinks, parties, as is their right to do, why would I be happy about paying more for health insurance, or furthermore, be required to purchase it in the first place. For sure, it's a bigger question that this, but if a person wants to take the risk of not wearing a helmet and sustaining a head injury, then why can't one also take the risk of going without health insurance, or losing everything (and more), to fulfill one's ambitions? Again, not an opinion, but just a debate-able example. Not the place to do it though. :) On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Peter Morgano <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't usually talk politics or religion with casual acquaintances since it > can turn into a huge hornets nest but I am proud to live in a county where > we look out for each other, whether the person is fat, or stupid or elderly > or foreign. I don't want to be in a county where some bureaucracy decides > who deserves care and who does not. Individual responsibility just seems to > be a buzz word for victimizing those who have the least among us (including > the intellect to know they are going to hurt themselves). > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:05 PM, robert zeidler <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> As a hard core Libertarian I totally agree with this view. The >> question that comes up, and this is why I choose to wear a helmet, is, >> what if the rider has a fall, sustains a head injury, but knowing this >> might happen, chose to go without? >> >> What responsibility does that person bear for his/her medical care and >> the subsequent bills? >> >> And what is the difference, in terms of responsibility, between that >> person and a person who chooses to drive a car while intoxicated, has >> an accident, and is the only one hurt? >> >> Or a person who knowingly and repeatedly inflicts self harm by >> smoking, and or eating poorly? >> >> And yet, all those who follow the rules are left to pick up the bill, >> again and again, for those same individuals. >> >> I'm surprised and happy to see this view come out of California, where >> normally one is subjected to scolding over any individual >> responsibility debate, and the state is always responsible for one's >> happiness. Not a blanket statement, of course, but still. >> >> RGZ >> >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Jim Cloud <[email protected]> wrote: >> > The choice to wear a helmet is entirely up to the individual and I >> > don't wish to start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet discussion. I do, >> > however, find that my current preference is in favor of wearing a >> > helmet. >> > >> > I also don't agree with Grant that wearing a helmet necessarily >> > promotes a riskier still of riding. I've ridden both without a helmet >> > and with a helmet, and I don't believe that my riding style changes >> > one iota. >> > >> > Jim Cloud >> > Tucson, AZ >> > >> > On Jul 23, 8:51 pm, Joe Bernard <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I'm in full support of not riding with a helmet if that's what you >> >> choose, >> >> but stories from old guys who made it through their youths without them >> >> are >> >> easy to come by from the ones who actually made it, 'cause, ya know, we >> >> made it! I crashed a goodly number of times on my old Stingrays and >> >> 10-speeds, and banged my head hard a few times. I'm lucky I got away >> >> with >> >> it, and usually wear a helmet now. >> >> >> >> Joe Bernard >> >> Vallejo, CA. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, July 23, 2012 8:31:38 PM UTC-7, charlie wrote: >> >> > Great job Grant..........in such a limited format.....don't let some >> >> > of >> >> > doz guyz get ya down. Controversy always gets attention. Its just too >> >> > bad >> >> > many still believe the common misconceptions you often speak of. I >> >> > used to >> >> > think many of things you speak about were necessary (clipless pedals, >> >> > cycling specific clothing, helmets all that stuff) until I actually >> >> > thought >> >> > about it critically and remembered my youth and all the riding we did >> >> > without any of that stuff. I actually did ride a bicycle like most of >> >> > the >> >> > rest of the world did and still does with.........no helmet, no >> >> > special >> >> > 'kit', no special shoes, bars actually higher than my saddle, wider >> >> > tires >> >> > and no emphasis on riding all bent over like a professional racer. >> >> > Those >> >> > were some of the best bicycling years of my life.....and I didn't die >> >> > (thankfully) from not wearing a helmet even though I crashed more >> >> > than once. >> >> >> >> > On Monday, July 23, 2012 12:03:20 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Good discussion, comments on the bottom of the page prove what an >> >> >> asshole place NYC is to live.... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/2012/jul/23/bicycling-101/?utm_source=fe... >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > [email protected]. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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