[Now that we've taken care of *that*, let's talk about Lance as talked about by Grant.]
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:08 PM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > You know, after looking more closely at what Grant said, and at the > photos, I have to agree that the evidence points to more than a brittle or > defective dropout. I neglected to consider the damage to the wheel, which > points to a stick. So I withdraw my earlier comment. > > What drew my fire was what I perceived as excessive defensiveness on > behalf of Riv and against the customer. I still think we ought to withhold > judgment about hiserher motives, but for the record it looks very much like > something that ordinarily would not merit a free frame replacement. > > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:52 PM, tapebubba <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Patrick >> >> I didn't take it as aggressive. Like I said, I thought you were joking >> around about 200%. Then, I thought maybe you were still joking around >> about my use of the word "fault". Like if a stick got into his rear wheel, >> that wasn't the rider's "fault"; it was the stick's fault. My next post >> was going to see if just assigning 100% of the "responsibility" to the >> rider instead of 100% of the fault was what you were after. I simply >> consider the absence of a plausible theory as sufficient. If there is a >> plausible theory on how it was a defective frame I was interested in >> hearing it, that's all. I'm not claiming there is no such thing as a >> Rivendell defect. What I am saying is I can come up with a dozen plausible >> scenarios that it is the rider's responsibility and I can't think of any >> plausible scenarios for that particular incident being caused by a >> Rivendell. >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> On 1/18/2013 12:25 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >> >> Bill -- taking this off list: I've learned the hard way to "never assume >> anything". The judicial maxim is "audiatur et altera pars" -- "Hear the >> other side also". I think one could safely say, "I can validly lay 75% of >> the fault" .... etc, meaning "I am 75% sure it was rider caused", but none >> of us (perhaps even Grant) knows that the dropout wasn't defective. My >> second custom Riv came with a defective fork -- the brake hole was drilled >> too high for the normal reach brake specified. So errors do happen even at >> the top end of things. >> >> Anyway, I don't mean to be agressive; sorry if I was. But I do think >> that barring more evidence, the question to some degree still remains moot. >> >> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Oh, I thought you were joking around since I said 200%. >>> >>> Care to share your theory? I'm apparently not smart enough to >>> conceive a way that this could possibly be a defective frame. >>> >>> On Friday, January 18, 2013 12:08:21 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: >>>> >>>> Not on the basis of the evidence, you can't. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:52 AM, William <tape...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Allow me to make a humble retraction. I can only validly lay 100% >>>>> of the fault at the feet of the rider, not one scintilla more. 200% was >>>>> unfair of me. Mea culpa. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/EFPeycGuq_YJ. >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ------------------------- >> Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA >> For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW >> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html >> ------------------------- >> >> >> > > > -- > > ------------------------- > Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA > For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > ------------------------- > -- ------------------------- Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html ------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
