I'm late to this one but jusr read Jan's thing about the way he likes bikes 
and the way I or Riv does, and so...there's really nothing he left out, or 
to add. 

One thing to keep in mind that's easy to not keep in mind is that  a group 
like this has already been filtered through progressively finer sieves 
until here we all are, comparing two species of planaria, while maybe 
losing the big picture, which includes tigers, volcanos, vaudeville, and 
black holes.
Jan's planaria is rando; RIV's is kind of classy hobo, but they're both 
practibo and in such similar ways, beautifo. Rando came in the '40s and no 
doubt had its own influences, but RHerse was at the center of it, and there 
were a few others (read Jan's book, omg, if I may!). 

CHobo bikes like ours wouldn't exist without those. I'd be hooking up with 
assorted Chinese bike factories looking for the best deals on forks and 
trying to keep abreast of the lastest nanotechnological progress in carbon, 
or something. 

So, when it comes to a little more or less trail, a little more or less 
integration of racks, and big saddlebags versus big handlebar bags---in the 
picture that's only slightly bigger than the one outside the powerful 
microscope, it's all the same. Jan's contribution is like salt's 
contribution, at least that's one way I think about it. He is thumbs-upping 
Herse and the old French guys, pointing to them, but in doing that he's 
actually making a huge contribution to modern bikes and styles and tastes, 
educating along the way. 

Of course, there's nothing TO take away from the old Frenchies (as I call 
them, but I'm sure Jan has never), but because of the size of the 
bike-riding population today, Jan is himself more influential, and I'm one 
he's influencing. Periodically, while he's up there doing his thing and I'm 
down here doing mine/RIV's, we get tossed into the ring as antagonists, 
which makes us both feel weird, since----it ain't like that at all. I've 
known Jan for close to 20 years. What we have in common brought us together 
and keeps us that way.

His book is a masterpiece. I've read the whole thing and have dipped into 
it many times since. It's soothing to the eyes and feels like a cozy 
blanket on a chilly evening (the chilliness coming from non-planarial 
bikes!)

G

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