An excellent point about the measurement system. The CC SS comes with flat bars with a bit of a backwards sweep, so maybe the longer top tube was what my friend found so comfortable. Curiously, the store was of the opinion that if you have drops, then a longer top tube is better so you can "get really stretched out for the power and comfort". Bars low down. This was based on their own experience of riding a lot. That seems utterly counter-intuitive to me.
I agree that fundamentally they are a very good shop and they work with people and bikes all day long, so their opinion is well earned (I never claimed to be an expert!). They certainly never pointed to a carbon race bike and suggested he try that. But, I can't get over the habit of cutting the steerer tube before the bike has sold. That would be better left uncut pending the customer's preference, considering that the fork is so expensive to replace. I suppose the acid-test is whether my friend is still talking to me next week. On Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:47:00 AM UTC-6, EricP wrote: > > Actually, it sounds to me like everyone knew what they were doing. I've > owned a number of Surly bikes over the years. The first one, a Cross > Check, was 62cm. Realized after about 2 months I'd never get comfortable > with the handlebars so far away. Ended up putting Albatross bars on that > bike and was able to ride it for a while. Still, it ended up being too > big. > > Surly bikes seem to have a longer top tube and reach than a comparable > Rivendell. They also measure bikes differently than Rivendell. Center to > center, as opposed to center to top. > > My 62cm Rivendell SimpleOne has roughly the same amount of seatpost > showing as my 58cm Long Haul Trucker. When it was built up, my 58cm Cross > Check had even less post showing. > > The only thing I'd fault the shop on is cutting the steerer tube before > selling the bike. e > > Glad it worked out for everyone. > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > > On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Michael Hechmer > <mhec...@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Size Matters. And not just in the bike. My experience has been that the >> larger the shop the smaller the level of knowledge. There are of course >> exceptions to this, e.g. Harris Cyclery. But most often very large bike >> shops survive by hiring college age guys, usually steeped in racing, to >> push a hi volume of Treks, Cannondales, Specialized, etc out the door. >> One rainy Sunday afternoon I browsed through a large local bike shop and >> watched a middle age women tell a very young sales clerk she wanted a bike >> to ride on "paths". He steered her to a full suspension mt. bike! >> Yesterday the latest issue of Buycycle magazine arrived (uninvited) into >> my home. The cover headline was "Have More Fun" and pictured a man riding >> in shorts and a polo shirt, but the bike had 16 spoke radial wheels, road >> pedals, and bars about 6" below the seat. It didn't look like fun; it >> looked silly. >> >> Moral of the story - Newbies shouldn't buy solo. >> >> Michael >> >> >> On Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:02:48 AM UTC-4, IanA wrote: >> >>> My friend was in the market for a new bicycle with a budget of around >>> $800.00. He'd looked at various aluminum mountain bikes and talked to me >>> about it - he'd mentioned that he'd possibly like a single speed. I >>> suggested he check out the Surly line of bikes and maybe push his budget a >>> little and get something he'd really enjoy. Being a Rivendell owner >>> (recent acquisition) and having followed this list and GP's writings for >>> the last few years, I have certain ideas about bicycle fit. Not being a >>> crotch-worrier, I like to start with the largest straddle-able frame and >>> work from there. A fist-full of seat post, bars around saddle height etc. >>> Using this formula as a starting basis, I urged my friend to try a 62cm >>> Crosscheck (a single speed). He loved it. The store was adamant that a >>> 58cm was he needed, with the saddle jacked up a good two fist-fulls and the >>> bars well below the saddle height, because "that's where the power is". My >>> friend test rode the 58, the 60 and then the 62cm and there was no way he >>> was going back. The steerer tubes on all sizes had been cut quite low, but >>> on the 62cm, the set-up worked perfectly for my friend. The mechanic was >>> not happy about this and I was the unwelcome "expert-friend", even though >>> they made the sale and my friend rode out the store on his new bike. The >>> one he wanted. >>> >>> I suppose we all get locked into ideas and philosophies, but without my >>> input (as right or wrong as it may be), they would have sized him by >>> putting the saddle height above his hip bone and made the bars a few inches >>> below saddle height. This was their fitting method. At the end of the >>> day, my friend is delighted - he exceeded his budget by $175 and got a very >>> pretty bicycle that has clearance for 700 x 45 with fenders. Even with my >>> pretty LL there, I was jealous of his purchase. The shop had never heard >>> of Rivendell, which made me wonder just how small a corner of the bike >>> world I must live in, hanging out here on the RBW list. >>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to >> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. 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