I agree, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Sam Hillborne was optimally 
designed for the Albatross handlebars.

Matt

On Friday, August 30, 2013 8:13:11 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> I think Grant's designs favor a butt-back position, for handling as well 
> as comfort and power. At least my Rivs, including the Sam HIll, all seemed 
> to handle best when I have my saddle rearward -- the long stays would 
> indicate this, too.
>
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:26 AM, hangtownmatt 
> <hangto...@yahoo.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> As I was riding to work this morning I remembered I made another change.  
>> After I replaced the stem with the shorter one, it wasn't long before I 
>> realized that my current saddle was not going to work in the more upright 
>> position.  So I removed the seat along with the zero setback seat post, 
>> something I had added before to reduce stretch, and replaced it with the 
>> original Kalloy set back seat post and Brooks B-17.  So, in all honesty, it 
>> was the combination of a shorter stem and a set back seat post that changed 
>> the handling characteristics.  Not surprising.  Hence this threads title 
>> change.  
>>
>>
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