Some observations... There are some twists and turns in how RDA handles illustrative content and colour content differently from MARC through its newly created elements "Illustrative Content" and "Colour Content".
For the RDA element "Colour Content" the values could be the ones once found in 300$b, such as "chiefly color" [RDA 7.17.1.3] or they could be values normally found in 500 notes, such as "2 maps in colour" or "Title and headings printed in red" [RDA 7.17.1.4]. Both types of values are accepted for the element "Colour Content." In RDA, this one element, "Colour Content" covers this entire range of values, which in MARC have been separated in 300$b and 500$a fields. The RDA Toolkit's RDA-to-MARC map reflects this split of the one element, "Colour Content", being mapped to 300$b or 500$a. There is another issue when colour content can vary for each type of illustrative content, as in: color illustrations, maps (chiefly color), portraits (some color) RDA seems to force a simplification on the one hand, where the color value can no longer be easily associated directly with each "Illustrative Content" value. That is, unless one injects that complexity into a note for "Colour Content" ... if it's "considered important for identification or selection", as RDA 7.17.1.4 puts it. Hypothetical examples derived from RDA that demonstrate the issues: Illustrative Content: 4 maps Colour Content: 2 maps in color Illustrative Content: illustrations Illustrative Content: maps Illustrative Content: portraits Colour Content: chiefly color [In this example, one is forced to look at colour in the whole resource, and not colour as specific to each type of illustrative content.] Illustrative Content: map of Australia on endpapers Colour Content: color As a standalone element, "Colour Content" might appear ambiguous at times, as it may leave open the question as to what part of the content is in colour. RDA only refers to colour content as the "presence of colour ... in the content of a resource." In addition, I wonder if the phrase "chiefly illustrations" couldn't be covered as a note-like value in RDA 7.15.1.4 (Details of Illustrative Content). While "illustration" and "illustrations" are registered values at http://rdvocab.info/, a phrase like "chiefly illustrations" could be covered by 7.1.15.4 as a free-text value pointing to details about the illustrative content. Thomas Brenndorfer Guelph Public Library > -----Original Message----- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff > Sent: October 16, 2012 1:49 PM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] "coloured illustrations" > > Joan, > > Yes this is basically what I understand to be correct. However, there does > NOT seem to be a way in RDA to say "chiefly illustrations", so I think that > would have to be conveyed in a note. I covered this in my presentation on > the changes from RDA: > > Slide 76 at > http://faculty.washington.edu/aschiff/UW2012Presentation-Part1-Notes.pdf > > AACR2 > > 300 $a ca. 200 p. : $b chiefly ill. (some col.) ; $c 32 cm > > RDA > > 300 $a approximately 200 pages : $b illustrations (some color) ; $c 32 cm > 500 $a Chiefly illustrations. > > --Adam > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Adam L. Schiff > Principal Cataloger > University of Washington Libraries > Box 352900 > Seattle, WA 98195-2900 > (206) 543-8409 > (206) 685-8782 fax > asch...@u.washington.edu > http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2012, Joan Wang wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > I found the following illustrative matter examples in AACR2 and OCLC > Bibliographic Formats and Standards. > > > > * chiefly maps > > * ill. (chiefly col.) > > * ill. (some col.) > > * some ill. (some col.) > > * ill., ports. (some col.) > > > > Based on these examples, ?chiefly maps? means that the content is > > mainly composed of maps; ?maps (chiefly col.)? means that most of maps > > in the content are colorful. Can we use ?chiefly col. maps? to describe > the content mainly composed of color maps? > > > > > > In RDA, they are separated into two sections: illustrative content > > (7.15) and colour content (7.17). Examples shown in 7.15 include > > specific illustrations like charts or coats of arms. Section 7.17.1.3 (LC > PCC PS) includes examples like colour, some color, and chiefly colour. > > > > > > > > I assume if we want to combine 7.15 and 7.17, we still follow AACR2 > practice to describe the above two situations. > > Is my understanding correct? > > > > > > > > I know that I am a kind of repeating Robert?s words. But would be very > > happy if somebody would like to confirm it. > > > > > > Thanks for the help in advance. > > > > Joan Wang > > Illinois Heartland Library System > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Matthew Wise <matthew.w...@nyu.edu> > wrote: > > Thanks, again, Bob. > > > > I am totally on the same page with you (excuse the pun). > > > > -- > > Matthew Wise > > Music Cataloger and Cataloging Policy, Documentation, and Training > Librarian > > Knowledge Access and Resource Management Services (KARMS) > > Division of Libraries, New York University > > 20 Cooper Square, Room 313, New York, NY 10003-7112 > > Phone: 212.998.2485 matthew.w...@nyu.edu > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Robert Maxwell <robert_maxw...@byu.edu> > wrote: > > > > Matthew, > > > > > > > > You are correct that ?some color illustrations? and ?illustrations > (some color)? mean different things, as > > do ?chiefly color illustrations? and ?illustrations (chiefly > color)?. In RDA ?some color? is a separate > > element from ?illustrations? so if we were just recording elements > in a cataloging form such as this > > it would be unambiguous: > > > > > > > > Illustrative content: illustrations > > > > Color content: some color > > > > > > > > I suppose with the second example we could be more nuanced than we > currently are able to be if we > > wanted: > > > > > > > > Either > > > > > > > > Illustrative content: illustrations > > > > Color content: chiefly color > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > Illustrative content: chiefly illustrations [I *think* this is > still allowed, though now that I > > look at it I don?t see it in 7.15, but let?s assume that it is] > > > > Color content: chiefly color [i.e. mostly color but some b & w] > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > Illustrative content: chiefly illustrations > > > > Color content: color [i.e. color, no b & w] > > > > > > > > But since we?re trying to pour this into MARC we need to do our > best to clarify it and so in these > > situations we?re following AACR2 practice putting the color content > element in parentheses following > > the illustrative content element. True, this is inconsistent with > recording ?color illustrations? > > rather than ?illustrations (color)?. It is my understanding that > we?re just going to follow AACR2 > > practice for these elements, although I?m not aware of any official > documentation to that effect (I > > suspect it?s in training materials, but not, for example, in PCC-LC > PS that I know of). The trouble > > with this, of course, is that you have to understand AACR2 in order > to apply RDA, which is fine > > for the current cataloging community but isn?t fine for new > catalogers learning RDA without first > > learning AACR2. > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > Robert L. Maxwell > > > > Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian > > > > Genre/Form Authorities Librarian > > > > 6728 Harold B. Lee Library > > > > Brigham Young University > > > > Provo, UT 84602 > > > > (801)422-5568 > > > > > > > > "We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine > ourselves to the course which has > > been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842. > > > > > > > > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and > > Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Matthew Wise > > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 12:18 PM > > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] "coloured illustrations" > > > > > > > > Hi, again, Bob. > > > > So then, is it also > > > > $b some color illustrations or $b illustrations (some > > color) > > > > and > > > > $b chiefly color illustrations or $b illustrations (chiefly > color) ... ? > > > > In the first example, the statement on the left, as a user, I would > > read this grammatically to mean that there were only a few > > illustrations in the book (which happened to be in color), as opposed to > illustrations, some of which are in color. > > > > And in the second example, the statement on the left, I would read > > this as most of the pages (mentioned in $a) are color illustrations, as > opposed to most of the illustrations are in color. > > > > What is current practice? And is there recognition that, either way, > this is ambiguous? > > > > Matthew > > > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Robert Maxwell <robert_maxw...@byu.edu> > wrote: > > > > Matthew, > > > > > > > > You?re right, RDA doesn?t specify, because it considers these two > > separate elements and I imagine RDA would be fine with either of your > formulations. The current practice is: > > > > > > > > $b color illustrations > > > > > > > > (or $b color illustration if there?s just one). > > > > > > > > By the way, not ?colored illustrations??that is taken to mean colored > > after publication, e.g., hand colored. I realize there are a couple of > > places in RDA examples that use ?coloured? but I understood these were > mistakes and would be corrected. > > > > > > > > Because there?s more than one possible way in RDA to do this, I think > > it would be a good idea for something like an LC-PCC PS at 7.17.1.3 > > showing the preferred method (if we as a community in fact do care > > that everyone do it consistently). The only thing at LC-PCC PS > > 7.17.1.3 is the fact that LC wants its catalogers to spell the word > ?color?, not the form of the element in combination with words such as > ?illustrations? or ?maps?. > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > Robert L. Maxwell > > > > Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian > > > > Genre/Form Authorities Librarian > > > > 6728 Harold B. Lee Library > > > > Brigham Young University > > > > Provo, UT 84602 > > > > (801)422-5568 > > > > > > > > "We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine > > ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. > Snow, 1842. > > > > > > > > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and > > Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Matthew Wise > > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 2:26 PM > > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > > Subject: [RDA-L] "coloured illustrations" > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > As a new user of the RDA Toolkit, I have a stupid question. How do I > > encode in a MARC record that a book has, as AACR2 calls them, "coloured > illustrations," i.e., "col. ill.?" > > > > Instruction 7.15.1.3 tells me to record "illustrations." Instruction > > 7.17.1.3 tells me to record "colour." And the related LC-PCC PS tells > > me to change that to "color." However, how does one record this in the > MARC 300 subfield b? > > > > "color illustrations" or "illustrations (color)" > > > > The latter would parallel what I would likely do for "illustrations > > (some color)" and "illustrations (chiefly color)," although all seem to > be incorrect grammatically. > > > > Unfortunately, the JSC has not included this in the MARC-encoded > > example records. But I'm sure that I'm not the first to encounter this > situation. > > > > -- > > Matthew Wise > > Music Cataloger and Cataloging Policy, Documentation, and Training > > Librarian Knowledge Access and Resource Management Services (KARMS) > > Division of Libraries, New York University > > 20 Cooper Square, Room 313, New York, NY 10003-7112 > > Phone: 212.998.2485 matthew.w...@nyu.edu > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Matthew Wise > > Music Cataloger and Cataloging Policy, Documentation, and Training > > Librarian Knowledge Access and Resource Management Services (KARMS) > > Division of Libraries, New York University > > 20 Cooper Square, Room 313, New York, NY 10003-7112 > > Phone: 212.998.2485 matthew.w...@nyu.edu > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Joan Wang > > Cataloger -- CMC > > Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) > > 6725 Goshen Road > > Edwardsville, IL 62025 > > 618.656.3216x409 > > 618.656.9401Fax > > > > > >
