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On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 13:27, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar < [email protected]> wrote: > Unfortunately Ray I have had 2 cases where the Local building inspector > thought that it was a wildfire risk to not have RS, and yes on a ground > mount. Too long to go into here but in the rurals where my clients are, it > can be easier to comply. > > After about 4 phone calls it was easier to just do what he wanted and then > make the change after inspection. Hope others do not have this issue. > > > > *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar* > > *"we go where powerlines don't" > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ <http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/> > e-mail [email protected] <[email protected]> > text 209 813 0060* > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 15:07:52 -0700, Ray <[email protected]> wrote: > > Here's a page I put in my plan sets to make its clear for the AHJ. I have > not had this challenged, and we have never implemented Rapid Shutdown on a > ground mounted array. > > > > Ray Walters > Remote Solar > 303 505-8760 > > On 2/13/20 2:57 PM, Christopher Warfel wrote: > > This points out the problem of inconsistent interpretation due in part to > conflicting or unclear language. I always like to ask how many basements > have protection around the NM conductors running through and along the > rafters. I know several people on CMPs are on this listserv. I am hoping > that they can add some clear language, and not leave it to a footnote for > implementing this aspect of the NEC. > On 2/13/2020 4:42 PM, Ray wrote: > > It all comes down to where you install the PV disconnect. We put it on > the wall before the conductors enter the building or at the array, > therefore 690 doesn't apply. Proper signage is required indicating > multiple power sources and listing the locations of their disconnects. > > Also, this isn't just my opinion, many others on the list have said this, > including folks involved in the code writing process, and the code says > this. The fact that your inspector didn't catch the note on the figure is > to be expected, as it is not out in flashing neon lights. It is however a > clear statement of where 690 stops: at the PV disconnect. > > Unfortunately, this is not further clarified in 2020 from what I can tell, > so we will all continue to suffer inspectors incorrectly expecting 690.12 > on ground mounted systems. I would politely ask your inspector to review > that ruling with his higher ups. We can't start setting precedents that > are unreasonable and incorrect. The array wiring is already required to be > protected by either height, protective panels or fencing. > > Ray Walters > Remote Solar > 303 505-8760 > > On 2/13/20 1:56 PM, Christopher Warfel wrote: > > Ray, I spent a bit of time today with a person who inspects for several > state renewable energy programs and to summarize, this person said the > opposite of what you said, and finish saying "seems pretty clear cut". We > did review three sections of 690, and one from 705. I pointed out that > these are not controlled conductors as I interpret them but they should > have been defined. I did not see any earlier posts regarding this, so I > apologize for the redundancy. > On 2/13/2020 3:16 PM, Ray wrote: > > This has been discussed to death in previous Wrench strings. Just to cut > to the chase: > > please review NEC 2017, Figure 690.1(b) Note:(2). *The PV system > disconnect in these diagrams separates the PV system from all other > systems.* > > The inverter, charge controller, batteries etc are no longer part of > article 690, and are not subject to its requirements. Look at articles > 705, 706, and 480 for guidance for those *other systems*. > > *Ray Walters* > Remote Solar > 303 505-8760 > > On 2/13/20 12:55 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > A few times and my back-up with a schneider system is their rapid > shutdown. In the end the inspector comes around and realizes there is > little gain for an offgrid ground mounted array for fireman. You do have to > educate them and if they are insistent on being a bonehead, install the RS > for the inspection and then use the box for the next one or sell it. > > After almost 30 years offgrid the last thing I want is something that can > fault out the solar or worse when I am away. Networks can be the enemy at > times. Less is more offgrid in my opinion. > > > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > "we go where powerlines don't"http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ > e-mail [email protected] > text 209 813 0060 > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 13:07:53 -0500, Christopher > Warfel<[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: > > I got involved in a long discussion on Rapid Shutdown compliance for > battery multimode, grid interconnect inverters that have a ground > mounted array. At one point, ground mounted array was not supposed to > be subject to Rapid Shutdown unless there were dc conductors on the > building. NEC 2017 seems to say it is if conductors are 3' in or on > buildings. The intent of Rapid Shutdown was supposed to protect fire > fighters from exposure to high dc voltage when the array was on a roof. > Every code cycle it morphs into something a little different. Has > anyone had to confront this situation, and was this type of project > subject to Rapid Shutdown? 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