That's what I am thinking. And the IQ7+ max current is actually about 2% higher than rated and we have a 1.3x DC to AC ratio so I would not be surprised if all microinverters are completely maxed out for brief periods at peak sun.
I'm working on getting pictures from one of my tech's phones. I think we have one of the discolored wire. On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 4:16 PM Dave Tedeyan <[email protected]> wrote: > Jason, > Bright sunny days, disconnect on the west side of house, maybe in the sun? > 43.56A * 1.25 for continuous duty = 54.45A. If these disconnects are also > baking in the sun, maybe the extra ambient heat is enough to push it over > the edge? Just a thought. > Cheers, > Dave > > *Dave Tedeyan, PE* > Senior Engineer | Taitem Engineering, PC > > 110 South Albany Street | Ithaca, NY 14850 > o. *607.277.1118 x121* f. 607.277.2119 > www.taitem.com > <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/f4542e8acedc3d46e0c318320bdeecbb0abd9c2e?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.taitem.com&userId=1613865&signature=1fe5f11e2f248f42> > > Solar • Sustainability • Energy • Design > Certified B-Corporation since 2013 > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 3:41 PM Jay <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Jason >> >> Any chance for some photos? >> >> Jay >> >> On Nov 18, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jason Szumlanski < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> The plot thickens on the fuse blowing issue. Again, we tore the Enphase >> IQ system apart looking for any reason for the fuse to keep blowing. We >> reconfirmed torque on all line side conductors to the service (supply side >> interconnection using Polaris taps). >> >> Low and behold, I get a second client with the exact same issue >> yesterday. The circumstances are eerily alike. Both disconnects are located >> on the west side of the house and have 36 IQ7+ microinverters on an IQ >> Combiner, requiring 60A fuses on the 60A fusible disconnect. The combined >> inverter output rating is 43.56A. The interconnections are identical with >> #6 THHN 90ºC conductors and Polaris taps. Both disconnects have conductors >> on the right-hand side line-side terminal that are discolored (the copper >> is silvery, the insulation is not burned). The fuses blow at peak current >> around 1:30 pm, only on bright and sunny days. >> >> I'm starting to suspect a faulty fusible disconnect switch. Maybe the >> blades are not making proper contact with the line side terminals. >> >> For the client who is having regular/frequent fuses blowing I plan to >> replace the disconnect with a heavy-duty version or possibly get a 100A >> disconnect with fuse reducers. I'm not sure which option would yield a >> better test. I might also switch brands. >> >> Currently, we are using GE TG3222R. The fuses are Bussman FRN-R Time >> Delay. I have to believe a heavy-duty switch would be less susceptible to >> this, but maybe a higher rated one would be a better option. I'm not a fan >> of fuse reducers, however. >> >> Jason Szumlanski >> Florida Solar Design Group >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 5:54 PM Jason Szumlanski < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The tripping breaker occurred at random times, even at night. No >>> weather-related correlation. >>> >>> I have more research to do to see when this fuse issue is happening, but >>> previous visits showed no water ingress. I'm not sure about temperature. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 8:51 PM Jay <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jason >>>> >>>> One thought I have about the blowing fuse is to check it with a IR >>>> tool. >>>> >>>> I suspect a poor connection of the fuse to holder which during higher >>>> air temp is causing it to fail. >>>> I’m assuming that the correct amp size and slow blow fuse Is installed >>>> and that the wire connections are done correctly. But again an IR tool >>>> during peak heat would be a good test. >>>> >>>> About the enphase fix, wow what a head scratcher. But given that it’s >>>> fixed it means that it’s not a short, but enough amps going through over >>>> enough time to trip it. I wonder if a magnetic hydraulic vs thermal breaker >>>> ( CBI vs CH etc) would have worked? >>>> >>>> Is that breaker box ever in the sun? Is there any Correlation between >>>> high ambient temperatures and tripping? >>>> >>>> It sure would keep me up at night too >>>> >>>> Jay >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 27, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Jason Szumlanski < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> So the resolution to this is in... But I still have no idea what was >>>> wrong. >>>> >>>> The string of 10 offending microinverters was split into 5 and 5. We >>>> had a spare breaker in the IQ Combiner so it was relatively easy to run >>>> another branch circuit. It has been over two months with no recurrence. So >>>> the issue seems to be resolved, but again, no idea why. >>>> >>>> So here we go again... On another system we have a similar problem now. >>>> In this case it is supply side interconnected with a fusible disconnect. >>>> The same fuse (same line) keeps blowing every few to several weeks. We >>>> can't find any home run wiring issues or issues with terminator caps. There >>>> are no apparent faults in the AC Combiner. We have no idea why this is >>>> happening. But in this system, just the fuse blows, not one of the >>>> individual branch circuit breakers. >>>> >>>> This is getting very frustrating. And this is way more serious because >>>> fuses and service calls are expensive and I can't isolate the issue to one >>>> branch circuit. I don't even know where to start. Leaving each circuit >>>> disconnected for several weeks to prove a negative is an untenable >>>> suggestion to make to a client. But I don't see any other good options. >>>> >>>> Jason Szumlanski >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 3:42 PM Jason Szumlanski < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, we double-checked that. I have seen that happen before and it's >>>>> one of my early diagnostic steps for something like this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:18 AM Mac Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jason, >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you certain that the branch circuits aren't crisscrossed >>>>>> somewhere, meaning that an L1 branch 1, isn't connected to an L2 branch >>>>>> 2? >>>>>> That could explain two different breakers tripping. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good luck >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:07 PM Jason Szumlanski < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Undoubtedly, the termination caps are the second thing we check >>>>>>> after the rooftop junction box(es). These are prone to installation >>>>>>> errors, >>>>>>> even when the right parts are used. And given the cost, I've thought >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> long and hard about abandoning them altogether and terminating strings >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> small j-boxes with watertight fittings. But in this case, there was no >>>>>>> evidence of improper installation (we replaced them) and it was not >>>>>>> correlated to rain events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are well equipped with bare Q-cable and field wireables that we >>>>>>> could use for troubleshooting to bypass certain sections, but the >>>>>>> intermittent nature of the problem and unpredictable timeframe between >>>>>>> faults is very frustrating. While this is a rare occurrence, it is >>>>>>> definitely a "con" to consider when comparing string vs. microinverters >>>>>>> that I had not strongly considered in the past. I'm intent on getting to >>>>>>> the bottom of this in order to learn what to look for in the future and >>>>>>> how >>>>>>> to approach diagnoses of Enphase branch circuit faults. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:31 PM Amos Post < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was just at a site last week where the Enphase branch circuit >>>>>>>> breaker, outside utility disconnect breaker, and feed breaker in the >>>>>>>> main >>>>>>>> panel all tripped simultaneously, and it happened about 1 hour before I >>>>>>>> showed up onsite. The customer said it had happened 1 other time last >>>>>>>> fall >>>>>>>> but that time it was just the 1 branch circuit in the Enphase combiner >>>>>>>> panel. Interestingly the customer mentioned that he had just washed >>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>> the panels, also about 1 hour before I got there. I went on the roof >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> found that the installing contractor had not put on the Enphase >>>>>>>> termination >>>>>>>> caps. 1 string was wire-nutted with regular wire nuts and sitting on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> roof, and the roof was damp right there. This was a fairly flat roof. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> other micro trunk cable was just cut with no protection at all, tied >>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>> rail… >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <IE LOGO 150x78.jpg> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Amos Post >>>>>>>> Integrity Energy >>>>>>>> W 802.763.7023 >>>>>>>> C 802.291.2188 >>>>>>>> ienergyVT.com >>>>>>>> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/78588842d30cdf5fdc6d390748c63c8f3f9c7a2c?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ienergyvt.com&userId=1613865&signature=8bfa0b8ba517bffd> >>>>>>>> Facebook >>>>>>>> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/896240f1536f22e23ddee704c5ba83dccc073ef6?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fintegrityenergyllp%3Fref%3Dhl&userId=1613865&signature=d30adae4a99721e9> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Jason Szumlanski < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The breaker in the main panel IS tripping simultaneously with one >>>>>>>> of the branch circuit breakers each time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Jay <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A question that keeps nagging me is why do these breakers trip and >>>>>>>>> not the breaker in the main panel? >>>>>>>>> Presuming there is a 40 amp in the main >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would have thought that given all the times the breakers have >>>>>>>>> tripped at some point that one would have tripped and I can’t >>>>>>>>> understand >>>>>>>>> why not? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jay >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Jerry Shafer <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wrenches >>>>>>>>> Looking g at the bigger breaker tripping at the same time is very >>>>>>>>> likely do to response time of the breaker nothing more. As l >>>>>>>>> suggested in a >>>>>>>>> previous message. Use a non bridged breaker to see if it is one or >>>>>>>>> both >>>>>>>>> legs that trip. Also an eguage will help to see what if anything >>>>>>>>> leads up >>>>>>>>> to the failure and when. >>>>>>>>> Jerry >>>>>>>>> Jerry >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 7:58 AM Jason Szumlanski < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wonder about that. Of course, it could be the "inverter output >>>>>>>>>> circuit" having a fault in the wiring still (an intermittent issue >>>>>>>>>> somewhere within the IQ cable or home run wiring). But internal to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> microinverter, is it possible that a fault could still occur at >>>>>>>>>> night? I >>>>>>>>>> had a suggestion from another wrench that there are film capacitors >>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>> AC output side, but are these isolated when there is no DC input? It >>>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>>> unlikely that this would be an issue, but I have seen microinverters >>>>>>>>>> reporting a couple of watts at night (in Enlighten). I'm not sure >>>>>>>>>> how real >>>>>>>>>> that is. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The overriding question I have is what kind of fault would cause >>>>>>>>>> BOTH a branch circuit and the main solar breaker to trip >>>>>>>>>> simultaneously? >>>>>>>>>> That seems odd to me. If any normal load branch circuit has a fault, >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> don't often see premises main breakers tripping, or even feeder >>>>>>>>>> circuit >>>>>>>>>> breakers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I got to thinking that maybe there is some kind of issue between >>>>>>>>>> the BR220 and CH240 breakers not playing nicely together. But I >>>>>>>>>> would think >>>>>>>>>> this would be a well-known issue because I'm sure there are tons of >>>>>>>>>> CH >>>>>>>>>> feeder breakers in the wild with BR branch circuits downstream. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 9:25 AM < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If it trips at night, we know it is not the output from the >>>>>>>>>>> inverters causing the tripping. The current must be coming from the >>>>>>>>>>> grid. >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2020-06-01 12:05, Jason Szumlanski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's not weather. It's at all times of the day and night, and I >>>>>>>>>>> confirmed that there is no correlation to rain or high winds. That >>>>>>>>>>> was my >>>>>>>>>>> first suspicion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 10:27 AM Ray <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is it at all weather related? Rain, or high humidity? High >>>>>>>>>>> temperatures? Do you have any indication what time of day it trips >>>>>>>>>>> off at? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ray Walters >>>>>>>>>>> Remote Solar >>>>>>>>>>> 303 505-8760 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/20 10:23 AM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, that didn't resolve it. The main breaker and a branch >>>>>>>>>>> circuit breaker tripped again a few days ago. It was the same >>>>>>>>>>> branch this >>>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As my next diagnostic step I swapped two circuits (on which >>>>>>>>>>> breaker they are landed). If history is a guide, it will work for >>>>>>>>>>> about two >>>>>>>>>>> weeks and then trip again. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm dumbfounded. I really don't want to have to tear this whole >>>>>>>>>>> system apart. At this point, if I have to remove all the modules, I >>>>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>>> that I need to replace all of the trunk cable which is an expensive >>>>>>>>>>> proposition. I really don't know what else to do at this point. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:43 AM Jason Szumlanski < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I strongly suspect the CH240 combined breaker was compromised >>>>>>>>>>> (we will see). Since it happened that two different strings >>>>>>>>>>> tripped, I >>>>>>>>>>> doubt I have two microinverters with internal faults. It has to be >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> combined breaker. I was just surprised that branch circuit breakers >>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>> tripping simultaneously with the combined output breaker. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Of all the supply side connected systems I have installed, I >>>>>>>>>>> have never seen a combined output fusible disconnect fuse blow, but >>>>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>>>>> seen many combined output breakers tripped. I was worried early on >>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>> would be replacing fuses constantly, but that has not been an issue >>>>>>>>>>> whatsoever. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:15 AM <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Actually, we had a IQ7 string loaded up to its max panel size >>>>>>>>>>> and max string length and in the spring on cool, clear day, it >>>>>>>>>>> tripped the >>>>>>>>>>> string's associated breaker in the Enphase combiner. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We reset but of course that breaker was impaired and it tripped >>>>>>>>>>> again. We replaced and never had an issue going forward. We suspect >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> breaker was less than perfect from the start as we've add equally >>>>>>>>>>> nice days >>>>>>>>>>> since. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This almost reminds me of loading up Outback FM80. It says 4,000 >>>>>>>>>>> watts but in reality, 3,600 is the max when amps spike. I will be >>>>>>>>>>> extra >>>>>>>>>>> careful going forward on IQ7 string length when going to the max >>>>>>>>>>> published... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My story. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Scot >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* RE-wrenches <[email protected]> *On >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Jason Szumlanski >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:57 AM >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* RE-wrenches <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to resolve an intermittent frustrating problem with >>>>>>>>>>> and Enphase IQ system. There are three AC Branch circuits of 9 >>>>>>>>>>> microinverters each coming into an Enphase AC combiner. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What has been happening is one of the BR220 branch circuit >>>>>>>>>>> breakers and the combine CH240 breaker in the main backfed load >>>>>>>>>>> center have >>>>>>>>>>> been tripping simultaneously. It has happened about four times in >>>>>>>>>>> the last >>>>>>>>>>> 6 months. It was always the same branch circuit breaker, so we kept >>>>>>>>>>> investigating that string, checking the junction box, trunk cable, >>>>>>>>>>> and cap, >>>>>>>>>>> etc. Finally we swapped out the BR220 breaker. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Fast forward 4 weeks, and we got another call. This time a >>>>>>>>>>> different branch circuit breaker and the main breaker tripped >>>>>>>>>>> simultaneously. We checked that branch circuit and could not find >>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>> fault. It seems unlikely that two branch circuit breakers would be >>>>>>>>>>> faulty, >>>>>>>>>>> so we have now switched out the CH240 main breaker in hopes that it >>>>>>>>>>> is the >>>>>>>>>>> culprit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not totally confident in this resolution and I have my >>>>>>>>>>> fingers crossed. If that doesn't work, does anyone have any >>>>>>>>>>> suggestions on >>>>>>>>>>> another diagnostic step? These intermittent problems are a major >>>>>>>>>>> hassle. >>>>>>>>>>> One thought I had was to switch to a supply side interconnection >>>>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>>>> fusible disconnect. Maybe the intermittent fault would blow one of >>>>>>>>>>> the two >>>>>>>>>>> line fuses so at least I could narrow it down to which line the >>>>>>>>>>> fault is on >>>>>>>>>>> if there is in fact a fault. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have experienced two other tripping breaker issues with >>>>>>>>>>> Enphase systems in the past. Neither of them were systems I >>>>>>>>>>> installed. One >>>>>>>>>>> turned out to be branch circuits that were not properly paired up >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> landed on different breakers. Another time we had an inverter with >>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>> internal fault which eventually"blew up" with a loud popping noise >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> smoke billowing out of it. That happened after resetting a trip >>>>>>>>>>> breaker >>>>>>>>>>> multiple times. This case seems to be unrelated to those issues. 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