Dave just loop the wires and leave them suspended and if they are over the rail even better you will never see them Jerry
On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 6:33 PM Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches < [email protected]> wrote: > Jerry, > Sorry for any confusion there. With that first photo with the leads taped, > I was showing how the module came from the factory. The other two photos of > the backsheet show how far you can pull the leads when the tape is off. > With the setup I explained above, that was with the tape removed from the > modules. > Cheers, > Dave > > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 7:00 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Dave >> Nothing should be attached to the back sheet as it can be an issue down >> the road, I might want to look at looping the cords to let them >> statically remain in location without the tape, the loop will prevent >> drooping and if properly located rest on the rail. >> Jerry >> >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 1:07 PM Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> I realize it has been a while, but I've been meaning to send out an >>> update. With these modules in particular, one lead was long enough to get a >>> clip on the side frame. We found that if we put the upper rail as low as >>> possible allowed by the module (about 19.75" from the top) then it roughly >>> split the distance from the junction box to the microinverter. It seems >>> that even over time, there is not enough slack with the rail there for the >>> wire to ever reach the roof. It is possible that it will eventually sag >>> such that the wire is visible under the rails, but at least for now, you >>> cannot see any wires under the array. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Dave >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 1:23 PM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Except if it is UL listed and tested as part of the assembly. Haha. I >>>> seriously don't that happened, but technically... >>>> >>>> Bottom line, a manufacturer should supply guidance on this. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 1:02 PM Dana Orzel via RE-wrenches < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tape is not approved as a wire retaining device as far as I can find >>>>> in the NEC :-] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dana Orzel - E - [email protected] - C - 208.721.7003 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* RE-wrenches <[email protected]> *On >>>>> Behalf Of *Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 2, 2022 9:40 AM >>>>> *To:* RE-wrenches <[email protected]> >>>>> *Cc:* Jerry Shafer <[email protected]> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] wire management on Qcell AC module >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regarding the tape on the back sheet >>>>> >>>>> I have seen Novis installers keep the tape to secure the modules and I >>>>> have also seen it with the tape stll attached to the wires laying on the >>>>> roof so in my humble opinion the tape is for shipping only and is not to >>>>> be >>>>> used as a wire management system. >>>>> >>>>> Jerry >>>>> >>>>> NABCEP PV Inspector >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 6:37 AM Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just got some of the Qcell 360w AC modules that have the Enphase >>>>> microinverter factory applied to the back. The module is the half cut cell >>>>> type with the DC leads coming from either side of the middle of the >>>>> module. >>>>> The modules come with the wires taped to the back of the module. If you >>>>> remove that tape, there appears to be almost no way to properly manage >>>>> those wires. Is that tape meant to just keep the wire on the back of the >>>>> module forever? Would that even last more than a year? I am curious what >>>>> other people have done for these if they have used them or something >>>>> similar. Maybe if you get the rail in the right spot, the wires will just >>>>> sit on the rail... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I realize that we have had a thread on wire management with half cut >>>>> cell modules before, but this is a little different, as I am specifically >>>>> asking about that tape and if anyone knows if it holds up over time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> [image: Logo] <https://www.sungineersolar.com/> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Dave Tedeyan, P.E.Owner | Sungineer Solar* >>>>> >>>>> *p: *he | him | his >>>>> *a: *1653 Slaterville Rd. | Ithaca, NY 14850 >>>>> *w:* www.sungineersolar.com <http://www.sungineersolar.com/> >>>>> *c:* (607) 288-2898 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>>>> >>>>> Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org >>>>> >>>>> List Address: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>>>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>>>> >>>>> There are two list archives for searching. 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