Victron has a wireless display solution which uses an old dedicated android phone or tablet via WiFi and it has worked well for me so far. https://professional.victronenergy.com/news/detail/300/
Rich On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 10:08 AM White, Will via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > I just installed a Victron/Discover system at my house. The install went > well, although, like Michael said, it needs some customization to work with > conduit. > > Tech support is done through your dealer. I bought through Kienan Maxfield > (he's on the list), and his support was excellent. > > The comms does take some work to set up with three apps between the two > vendors, but once it's set up, it's worked without an issue. > > You do need to hardwire the display, which prevents installing it at a > significant distance, but you can do anything on the display in the > app, which was a huge improvement from my Outback VFX system. > > Thanks, > Will > ------------------------------ > *From:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> on behalf > of Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 13, 2025 11:53 AM > *To:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > *Cc:* Michael Morningstar <mjmornings...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [RE-wrenches] Midnite AIO Generator > Functionality > > > *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. > > > I've had good luck with the Victron/Discover pairing for small > off-gridsystems. The drawbacks are: No tech support (as far as I know), > requires stacking for 120/240 and more than 3kw, no conduit boxes on MPPTs, > lots of BOS components, and lots of comms and a familiarity with the > various comms cables. Also, I haven't come up with a reliable solution for > installing the touch screen at distance from the power system. That is > system in a power shed remote from the dwelling. > > I've had zero issues with this pairing and it will probably be my go to > for awhile. We're installing our first AIO offgrid in a few days, as I > purchased the equipment for the project early last fall when they were > first released, not realizing their unsuitability for off-grid. > > It's weird, I would have expected better from Midnite and wonder just WHO > engineered the unit? > > Generators: Simple diesel genset 1st choice always or liquid cooled/low > RPM LPG for 20kw up, Honda eu7000is w/ LPG conversion for smaller > requirements > > > On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 7:50 AM MDElectricSolar via RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > > After having many many failures very prematurely with the Kohler 14 and > 20s I've switched to the Cummins-Onan air cooled two wires start units and > they have been flawless so far. > > Michael D Nelson > MD Electric & Solar, Inc. > 707-684-0064 mobile > 707-884-1862 office > www.mdelectricsolar.com > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mdelectricsolar.com__;!!KPww_GFiJXw!ds1sCxiotFVibSVNrnrNKq59kyU2SV0dI8FJjvOR10z8GFNqHn2C4cZCe866QInKpWKQl0GBlhnywymC9lPruDQ_F9WoL-WB$> > www.facebook.com/mdelectricandsolar > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.facebook.com/mdelectricandsolar__;!!KPww_GFiJXw!ds1sCxiotFVibSVNrnrNKq59kyU2SV0dI8FJjvOR10z8GFNqHn2C4cZCe866QInKpWKQl0GBlhnywymC9lPruDQ_FxclufRm$> > > > On May 13, 2025, at 7:33 AM, Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > > > Hello Jay, > > I am using Kohler 14 RCAs in Colorado. It has the off-grid warranty > 18-month/1000 hr. I have seen good results, I probably have 60-70 out > there now. If you can make it through the 6 month mark, its probably going > to be pretty good machine (control and /or sensor failures). I have had > random issues, they aren't perfect, but its the best I've come across for > an autostart machine that works well with elevation derate here. Very > simple to troubleshoot, stepper motor, controller, not much else. Btw, > Kohler sold its residential line to Rehlko recently so who knows! > > > > On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 8:21 AM Jay via RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > > I’ve installed one. It works and simple > Like the other AIOs. > It has a different firmware/display than the 8,12 kw units which is a bit > frustrating. > > The main drawback with the 6 is it’s only 3kw per leg. It doesn’t like > being too out of balance either. Tare loss is a bit high and the fans seems > to run a lot but better cooler than hotter. > But it’s less than 1/2 the price of the 8kw. It’s about $1600. > If you just bought it as a CC it’d be a great deal. > > As to it not being made in China I think is nothing more than simantics. > It might now be assembled in Texas but the parts are all made in China. > So draw your own conclusions > > > > On May 13, 2025, at 6:10 AM, Drake Chamberlin via RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > > > > Talking to Steve at Zonna about the problems with off grid equipment, he > recommended the EG4 6000XP as a good off grid inverter. He said they are no > longer made in China and are a very good product. Does anyone have > experience with that unit? > > Thanks, > > Drake > > > *Drake Chamberlin* > > *Athens Electric LLC* > > *Ohio Electrical Contractor’s License 44810* > > *NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional* > --- > > > > On 2025-05-12 13:11, Ray Walters via RE-wrenches wrote: > > So the bypass switch gets the house power on, and I too always recommend a > hard bypass switch. However, you still need a 48 v power supply to get the > battery system back up, and that's becoming a serious pain in my aging > backside. Until AIOs with Li+ batteries, lead acid would have enough > voltage to get the charge controller to come back on, and eventually the > customer could get the inverter back on too. No special trip out. > > We need an independent circuit that would sense array voltage, and wake up > the battery, so it could take a charge: a backup battery for the offgrid > battery. Without that, AIOs and Li+ batteries are not self healing like > Lead Acid. We are going backwards fast, but with an amazing amount of new > Chinese technology driving the jalopy in reverse. (Danger Will Robinson) > > Ray Walters > Remote Solar > On 5/12/2025 10:54 AM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches wrote: > > We always recommend a transfer switch to bypass the inverter and send > generator power to the loads. Most clients take us up on it. For retrofits, > sometimes there can be space limitations, however. > > As for the function of the AIO, there is no integrated mechanical bypass, > and since there is an internal relay controlling the generator input (or > smart load output on that breaker), I think the default function is for the > relay to open when the inverter turns off. AC voltage on the load side of > the breaker does not close the relay and turn the inverter back on > automatically. > > Jason Szumlanski > Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group > NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP) > Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956 > Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208 > > On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 9:49 AM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via > RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > > All sounds wrong to me. Call Midnite. > > Typically there is a AC bypass mechanical switch that allows the gen to > bypass the inverter and power loads. > > > > *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > "we go where powerlines don't" > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/__;!!KPww_GFiJXw!ds1sCxiotFVibSVNrnrNKq59kyU2SV0dI8FJjvOR10z8GFNqHn2C4cZCe866QInKpWKQl0GBlhnywymC9lPruDQ_FxN20-Dy$>https://offgridsolar1.com/ > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://offgridsolar1.com/__;!!KPww_GFiJXw!ds1sCxiotFVibSVNrnrNKq59kyU2SV0dI8FJjvOR10z8GFNqHn2C4cZCe866QInKpWKQl0GBlhnywymC9lPruDQ_F9des9dS$> > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/__;!!KPww_GFiJXw!ds1sCxiotFVibSVNrnrNKq59kyU2SV0dI8FJjvOR10z8GFNqHn2C4cZCe866QInKpWKQl0GBlhnywymC9lPruDQ_FxN20-Dy$> > e-mail offgridso...@sti.net <offgridso...@sti.net> > text 209 813 0060* > > > On 2025-05-12 9:29 am, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches wrote: > > Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like there is a flaw in the > logic for how generator integration works with this product. Unlike some of > the other AIOs, you can't put the generator on the Grid input in an > off-grid scenario. You have to use the Generator smart load breaker, which > isn't a dedicated generator input, but a programmable circuit. This is > problematic because it seemingly has a normally open internal relay that > closes only when the inverter is ON. At least, that's how it seems to work > in my limited experience. > > Why is this a problem? If the battery capacity drops below the low voltage > cutoff, the inverter turns off. You have to turn the inverter ON for the > generator relay to close so you can charge the battery, but since the > battery is too low, the inverter won't turn on. You would have to reprogram > the inverter to drop the cutoff voltage/SOC below the current battery > state. For people who do not want to use AGS, or if AGS fails to start the > generator for any reason, getting the generator to charge the battery > manually is no easy task. > > Moreover, turning the generator on manually when the inverter is in an OFF > state will not pass power to the loads, and will not turn the inverter ON > automatically. You have to get the inverter turned ON somehow so that the > generator power can pass through to the loads. And since the startup > sequence for this inverter is very quirky, non-intuitive, and unreliable, > that makes the problem even worse. I'm not sure if you can even turn the > inverter ON when there is generator input and the battery is too low. I > don't think you can because the relay is open and the inverter doesn't even > see generator voltage when it is in an OFF state. > This seems like a serious oversight and a reason to go with one of the > other AIOs on the market. I believe the Sol-Ark 15K and EG4 18kPV will both > immediately power loads and start charging when the generator is on, > regardless of whether the generator is connected to the Grid or Generator > input. Any AC input immediately passes through to the loads. This is > because those inverters stay "on" when a low battery condition is met, and > they simply stop using the battery to invert power if the battery > conditions do not allow it, based on the settings. > > The logic of the Midnite AIOs turning "off" when battery cutoff is met and > opening the generator relay doesn't make sense to me. 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