xml is just a file format. file as in "data" (not actual hardcopies).
the fact that some idiots made DB which is accessed and stored totaly in XML is well, laughable... but let them. I store some data in xml (cause its used as such internally by all systems, so its more efficient not to convert it all the time), but not in an XML db as such. people have a right to be slow, inefficient, costly, it lets us be quick and run around them. but xml is about one common format for everyone and any tool. and as jason described, the tools which work with xml really are starting to deliver. many people don't even "see" the actual xml files, anymore. I know how you feel, really I do. In my own tests, xml can be double to 10 times the size of the same data with no compression, using rebol blocks. but in the real world, we need to speak to other systems. and I can tell you that it could be a hell of a lot worse than XML. :-) For me, the bad side is when people see xml as something else than a "format", a way to interchange. unfortunately, xml has become a golden hammer. its an end-all buzz word for many of those un-skilled and non-programmer managers, who buy stuff from clueless salesmen who know only that they have to push this "thing" their boss tells them to. remember, the known evil is infinitely less dangerous than the unknown itself. -MAx On 9/10/07, Alessandro Manotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > he is not trying to say XML is good or better than anything... only that > its > actually being used. Its dumb enough that any idiot can grasp an XML file > itself, and in fact a good reason why its like it is. > > > > Yes I know what you say, but I think XML is not "famous" only because > anybody can work with it. > I think XML is famous because the BIG companies decided that it had to be > famous. Furthermore because Ms$ used it in SOAP technology. > XML is used everywhere, even in places where it is not needed (instead > sometimes it creates some more problems). > XML is not easy (if used using it's true power), and the programs spend > many > resources to compose or parse it. > > Sometimes XML could be substituted by simply ini files or JSon > metalanguage. > But the BIG companies did not make publicity about it. > > That's the problem. > > I want to tell you a small story (a true story, you can find it at my site > http://sguish.wordpress.com (sorry but it is in Italian language) ). > > Some times ago a friend of mine told me that he wanted to try to make an > application using Rebol (I suggested to use it, and I'm helping him to > reach > his target). He told me he wanted to create an accounting application but > he > wanted to use a db made in xml. The problem was that Rebol does not > support > XML. So I suggested him to use native Rebol ways (blocks, hash, lists, > series, RebDB, etc...). > If Rebol would support xml, maybe he started to create his application > without tell me anything (regarding xml) using a wrong approach (it could > happen since BIG companies told us that xml is good for everything). > I'm happy that Rebol does not support full xml (Rebol support tags > management): in this way this boy now is using the correct tool! > > So I don't want to say that xml is the devil, but many people use it in > the > wrong way. And in this scenario I think Rebol is going in the right way > (the > same thing is true for rebol services and web services). > > > > > > > > > On 9/10/07, Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > no botter, I just read through the postcript/pdf/xml bout :-) > > > > -MAx > > > > On 9/9/07, Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jason, > > > > > > what post or html doc are you referring to? > > > > > > -MAx > > > > > > On 9/9/07, Jason Cunliffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl's points about XML are all quite valid and pertinent- but the > > story > > > > > > > > does not end there, and he left some important things out... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > > > > > -- > > //Alessandro > > http://sguish.wordpress.com > http://laccio.wordpress.com > > > -- > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject. > > -- To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
