Another point of trivia, the US is amoung the remaining 5 countries to put
children on DR.
peace
>Hi Don,
>
>When you look at the situation, I would hazard a guess that inmates on
death row are actually safer than the
>general prison population here or in the USA.
>As an unrelated matter (trivia) the death penalty was abolished in The
Netherlands in 1847.
>
>Trudy
>
>Don Clark wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim and Trudy,
>>
>> I do not have the figures here at this time, but an interesting read is
just
>> how many people die in gaols while they are still on remand (Australian
>> Institute of Criminology figures will help here). They have not been
>> convicted of anything and they either suicide, are murdered (by other
>> inmates or officers), or die of neglect and a lack of duty of care (still
>> murder in my eyes - but officially sanctioned).
>>
>> The 'death penalty' does not have to be handed down by a court to be a
>> reality.
>>
>> Don
>>
>> Don Clark
>> President
>> Indigenous Social Justice Association
>> PO Box K555
>> Haymarket NSW 1240
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> There can be no real reconciliation without social justice
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Monday, 7 February 2000 10:16 P.M.
>> Subject: Re: [recoznet2] death penalty
>>
>> > Hi Tim,
>> >
>> > It's probably because my comments are not long or clear enough
>> > sometimes. I know Australia doesn't have the death penalty and I know
>> > why - I was living here at the time. I remember the govt banning the
>> > playing of the Tom Jones song - 'The green, green grass of home'.
>> > Still, I wonder how many Indigenous Australians would agree that we
>> > don't have a death penalty since so many are dying in the jails even
>> > though large numbers are there for trivial reasons.
>> > My comment about it being not so different from Australia referred to
>> > the fact that many innocent people here also end up in jail and for the
>> > same reasons. Some of those people never come out of jail again and
even
>> > though we don't have an official death penalty, the result, in many
>> > cases, is the same.
>> >
>> > Trudy
>> >
>> > tdunlop wrote:
>> >
>> > > Trudy, I'm not quite sure what your comment above this news article
>> > > means exactly, but it prompts a comment. The fact that Australia
>> > > doesn't actually have a death penalty is in large part thanks to
>> > > academics and students who led protests against it in the sixties -
>> > > wrote articles, organised rallies and actually got the legislation
>> > > changed (see the book The Penalty is Death edited by Barry Jones, for
>> > > example). So your comment seems a little harsh - though if I have
>> > > misinterpreted it, I apologise. Tim Trudy wrote: Not so different
from
>> > > Australia except there are no students here to
>> > > expose the injustices. --- Trudy
>> > > =================================================
>> > >
>> > > Students help set agenda for US death penalty reform
>> > >
>> > > Source: AFP | Published: Monday February 7, 1:58 AM
>> > >
>> > > CHICAGO - Thirteen men on death row have been exonerated in
Illinois -
>> > > and those are the '13 mistakes we know
>> > > about,' the state's governor admitted candidly.
>> > >
>> > > The startling admission came as Governor George Ryan declared a de
>> > > facto moratorium on this state's capital
>> > > punishment system amid mounting evidence of its fallibility.
>> > >
>> > > Perhaps equally damning is the fact that a handful of these men owe
>> > > their lives, and in some cases their liberty, not to
>> > > the state's criminal justice system, but a trio of cru
>> >
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