I turned the table because so often it gets pointed my way and I wanted to
finally know what you guys were thinking.
Trudy, I wasn't actually directing it at you personally - I was using what
you said and highlighting a pattern I have noticed. Hardly an e-mail goes by
without someone dogging the cops. I'd like to know why? You may have said
many police but I'm yet to hear a positive comment. And your comment saying
that those who show humanity don't last very long because compatriots habit
of hounding them to leave seems very outdated. Though your comment basically
sounds like you say that there are no good ones because they've all been
pushed out!! It sounds like a contradiction.
The scumbags they usually face. Prejudice? I don't see how - If you've seen
a lot of the people they deal with I can't see that you'd be calling them
model citizens. No, not all of them are scumbags, I never said all, but
there are a lot of terrible people out there they have to deal with. Good
people usually don't break the law.
So just as people have attacked me for supposeldy not knowing the lives and
situations of Aboriginals, you really haven't met any positive nice police
officers. Or do you choose not to even find out?
I just find it very disheartening when everyone seems to want to point the
finger at police officers for everything that goes wrong. You also have to
remember that there may be a lot of things in a case/situation which you'll
never know - you'll never get the full 100% story because of protocols and
procedures and legal bindings. There are just some things you will never
know.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudy & Rod Bray
Sent: Wednesday, 5 April 2000 9:46 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Karen issue
Karen,
You always turn the tables when you don't want to address an issue.
I said your thinking was like *many* police - not all.
I didn't say anything at all about racism, you did. Interesting!
To me, it is very revealing that you dehumanise the people police come
into contact with as 'scumbags'. That doesn't leave much room for
anything but prejudice, does it?
As for knowing police, my experience has been that those who show a
smidgen of humanity towards those in 'breach of the law' - not matter
how trivial - usually don't last very long. Their 'compatriots' have a
habit of hounding them until they leave.
Trudy
Karen Crook wrote:
>
> I've noticed a very obvious underlying theme here on this site.
> It seems to me that the problem is you seem to tarnish the police service
> with the same brush!!!
> Isn't that being a bit prejudiced?
> If as most of you seem to think that all police are racist etc - then why
do
> Aboriginal people join? They are more than entitled to and they are openly
> accepted into the Service.
> Not everyone in the police is racist. Same as not everyone in the world is
> racist.
> Let's turn the tables here: How many police officers do you people know
and
> have spoken to personally? Do you know what life is like for them out on
the
> streets everyday dealing with the scumbags they usually face? The
> possibility of getting shot, injected, punched, abused, spat at, etc-how
do
> they feel? Do you know what it is like for their families not knowing if
> their loved ones will come home tonight?????
>
> I get shot down for my subsequent disregard for answers to my questions -
> then how is it when I have posed some questions people have ignored them
or
> brushed them aside? Goes both ways.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudy & Rod Bray
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2000 2:54 PM
> To: RecOzNet2
> Subject: [recoznet2] Karen issue
>
> Ben and Ian,
>
> I can understand your frustration and anger at Karen's inability or
> refusal to understand the extent of discrimination against Aboriginal
> Australians and their subsequent disadvantage. She displays the thinking
> of many in the police force.
>
> Although, Ben, I don't see your objection - as an insult - to having the
> NT mandatory sentencing act posted. I see it as information gained and a
> chance to 'know our enemy'.
>
> I know that Karen's continued 'questions' and subsequent disregard of
> any answers she gets, gets up a lot of people's noses and we wish to be
> rid of her. So far, there are two of you and I am sure there are a few
> more that haven't said anything yet - but will soon, I am sure.
>
> I have made suggestions before to those who cannot handle having Karen
> on the list - put her in a killfile or filter or don't add fire to the
> flames by responding to her 'questions'. Some people have done this and
> are no longer aggravated by Karen's posts except when someone responds
> and her post goes through the filter.
>
> I know this is not the answer you want from me but I have a few
> questions of my own....
>
> --If not for breach of the rules, when do we kick someone off?
> --Every time someone says something we don't like or agree with?
> --How many of the 'we' would it take?
> --Where do we draw the line on what is said?
> --How much do we believe in freedom of speech?
> --How do we try to change 60% of the Australian public when we can't
> handle just one of them on the list?
>
> I am amenable to adding a rule about racist statements but it will have
> to be worked out exactly what that entails (no vagueness) and voted on -
> simple majority of list membership will do.
>
> What do you say?
>
> Trudy
>
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