On Sun, 7 Jun 1998, Hugo Rabson wrote:
> NT3.51's "older, slightly mad brother"), it's the apps. Am I right in
> thinking, however, that if KDE or CDE or whatever desktop you're running
> crashes, your apps continue running?

Absolutely. In fact, it is a bit wrong to say "KDE" as if it were one
program. It's not. KDE consists of several programs -- a button bar
program (kpanel), a window manager (kwm), and a file manager (kfm),
amongst others. I've never gotten kwm or kpanel to crash. kfm crashes
occasionally for me. I use alt-F2 (kwm's 'run a command' key), type 'kfm'
into the window that pulls up, and voila.

Occasionally, when running fvwm or etc., I have managed to make changes to
the config file that resulted in fvwm bombing when it came back up. As
long as I had an xterm already open that's no problem -- I just fix my
goofup, type "fvwm &", and fvwm comes back up and runs. 

And none of this, of course, affects the actual window rendering engine
(the "X" server). It's hard for user programs to actually crash the "X" 
server because the "X" server runs as a seperate process, which
communicates with user programs via a local or network socket. Unlike with
NT 4.0, where the window rendering engine is actually part of the OS and
is very fragile.

I don't think that the authors of "X" intended to create a system that was
so resilient. I think they were just trying to create a protocol that
would allow using low-cost "X" terminals to talk to their expensive
workstations. But sometimes unexpected good happens, eh :-). 

> If it's not commercially sensitive, may I ask you what software you use to
> build your websites? Do you have trouble finding software to create, edit &
> check things like Java and Javascript?

Sun's JDK (Java Development Kit) exists on Linux and works well, as does
Netscape 4.0. Most Java-based "application builders" run under Linux the
same way they would run under Solaris or etc., because that's the whole
point of Java -- "write once, run anywhere". Right now I'm fiddling with a
Java-based network management tool. I downloaded the "Solaris" version,
but it seems to run quite well on my Linux system.

Eric Lee Green   [EMAIL PROTECTED]          Executive Consultants
Systems Specialist               Educational Administration Solutions
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