I agree with Tom on this. Game-by-game, pitcher-by-pitch analysis is just noise.
But please, Matt, feel free to vent. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think you can look at this game-by-game. Francona and Farrell have > a system to managing the bullpen for the long-term and it's working pretty > well. > > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> But Girardi had the same situation and when the game ended, he still had >> two relievers who hadn't pitched. Aceves went three, and Bruney went two >> before Coke came in to pitch the 15th. You're in extra innings, which means >> you don't know how long the game is going to go, which means you can't just >> have guys go one inning and on to the next. You expose yourself to what >> happened to Francona last night. >> >> --- On *Sat, 8/8/09, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Pfeh >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 11:52 AM >> >> >> I'll grant you number 2, but I'll disagree with 1. Francona needs to >> manage to the situation, not in anticipation that the game will go 15 >> innings, which was an unlikely outcome. >> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >> [email protected]<http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >>> Speaking of cranky, I have to get this off my chest: Francona >>> usually does a great job, but I can't understand the way he managed that >>> game last night: >>> >>> 1. Bullpen: He took out a lot of guys after one inning when they clearly >>> could have pitched more (Papelbon, Bard, Delcarmen, Saito). By managing it >>> the way he did, he decided to hand the game to a 23-year-old rookie with >>> four months in the minors, who was making his first major-league appearance. >>> In extra innings. In Yankee Stadium. To try to stop a pennant race >>> free-fall. By trying to protect his bullpen, I think he was reckless, not >>> only with last night's game, but with a young pitcher's psyche. Does anyone >>> remember Cla Meredith? Travis Hafner hit a 305-foot grand slam off him in >>> his first appearance and was never effective again with the Red Sox. >>> >>> 2. Hitters: In extra innings (11th? 12th? 13th? 14th? I lost track.) they >>> had two on and two out and Varitek coming to the plate. Of all lead-pipe >>> cinches in the universe, it was a guarantee that he was not coming through >>> with the big hit. Why not hit Mike Lowell in that instance? I know managers >>> don't like hitting for the catcher because of the fear the backup might >>> (MIGHT!) get hurt, but the Sox have THREE catchers on the roster. The easy >>> solution is move Martinez to catcher, Youk to first and put Lowell at third. >>> Then Kottaras is still on the bench. That's a total head-scratcher. I also >>> think he missed an opportunity in the 6th or 7th with two on and no one out. >>> He had Pedroia swing away, and he flied out to left. With Beckett pitching >>> the way he was, one or two runs would have won that game. With the way this >>> lineup is failing to produce, I think he had to have Pedroia bunt the >>> runners along. >>> >>> This season is getting away fast and winning a game last night would have >>> done some good to stop the bleeding. They have no shot today (Buchholz v >>> Sabathia? Painful...) so they're relying on Lester tomorrow night to avoid a >>> complete disaster. I just think Francona had to be more aggressive to try to >>> win last night, and instead he managed the game like it was a Tuesday night >>> in May against Kansas City. >>> >>> -- Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On *Sat, 8/8/09, Matt & Olga McSorley >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> >* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Matt & Olga McSorley >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>> >>> Subject: Re: Pfeh >>> To: >>> [email protected]<http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 10:56 AM >>> >>> >>> You're right. >>> >>> --- On *Sat, 8/8/09, Tom Salemi >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> >* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Tom Salemi >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > >>> Subject: Re: Pfeh >>> To: >>> [email protected]<http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 10:45 AM >>> >>> Whoa, someone's cranky. Maybe you should get to bed earlier. >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >>> [email protected]<http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, guys. You've turned my frown upside-down! >>>> >>>> Oh, brother... >>>> >>>> --- On *Sat, 8/8/09, Tom Salemi >>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>> >* wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Tom Salemi >>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>> > >>>> Subject: Re: Pfeh >>>> To: >>>> [email protected]<http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>> Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 10:24 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> A-Rod is still a puke. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Ray Salemi >>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> You should feel better knowing that I went to bed in the 10th inning >>>>> and got a good night's sleep. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >>>>> [email protected]<http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Knowing there was no way the Sox were going to score last night was >>>>>> like watching a bad horror movie. You know the main character is coming >>>>>> to a >>>>>> bad end and there's nothing you can do about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Somebody make me feel better. Tell me the lineup isn't that impotent, >>>>>> or that the starting pitching will come around. Somebody help me! Lie to >>>>>> me, >>>>>> dammit!! >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Matt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Author of "Leading After a Layoff: Reignite Your Team's >>>>> Productivity...Quickly" >>>>> www.leadingafteralayoff.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- Author of "Leading After a Layoff: Reignite Your Team's Productivity...Quickly" www.leadingafteralayoff.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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