John is right, we are 9-4 against the Yankees. Imagine the standings if we were .500 or worse.
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]>wrote: > Obviously games against divisional contenders are worth twice as much for > the div title, and against wild card contenders for the wild card. But other > than that, when the season is over, the first game means as much as the last > game and every other game. > > ------------------------------ > *From*: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > *To*: [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Sent*: Mon Aug 10 03:27:52 2009 > *Subject*: Re: Pfeh > > Who believes that some games played during the season are more valuable > than others? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat Aug 08 18:46:42 2009 > Subject: Re: Pfeh > > Bill, what is the record against the Yankees this year? > Relax. Let Tito run with it. It's a season, not a series. > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat Aug 08 13:35:29 2009 > Subject: Re: Pfeh > > > > This is a version of the same debate we had last year. I've come around > mostly on Framcona. He has a system and sticks to it. My one complaint is > that he is sometimes too much of a slave to it. I would argue he needs to > take a little more risk against teams that might contend for the division or > wild card, and the Yankees are always one of them. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat Aug 08 14:17:47 2009 > Subject: Re: Pfeh > > I agree with Tom on this. Game-by-game, pitcher-by-pitch analysis is just > noise. > > But please, Matt, feel free to vent. > > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I don't think you can look at this game-by-game. Francona and > Farrell have a system to managing the bullpen for the long-term and it's > working pretty well. > > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > But Girardi had the same situation and when the game ended, > he still had two relievers who hadn't pitched. Aceves went three, and Bruney > went two before Coke came in to pitch the 15th. You're in extra innings, > which means you don't know how long the game is going to go, which means you > can't just have guys go one inning and on to the next. You expose yourself > to what happened to Francona last night. > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Pfeh > To: [email protected] > > Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 11:52 AM > > > I'll grant you number 2, but I'll disagree with 1. > Francona needs to manage to the situation, not in anticipation that the game > will go 15 innings, which was an unlikely outcome. > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Matt & Olga > McSorley <[email protected] < > http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Speaking of > cranky, I have to get this off my chest: Francona usually does a great job, > but I can't understand the way he managed that game last night: > > 1. Bullpen: He took out a lot of guys after > one inning when they clearly could have pitched more (Papelbon, Bard, > Delcarmen, Saito). By managing it the way he did, he decided to hand the > game to a 23-year-old rookie with four months in the minors, who was making > his first major-league appearance. In extra innings. In Yankee Stadium. To > try to stop a pennant race free-fall. By trying to protect his bullpen, I > think he was reckless, not only with last night's game, but with a young > pitcher's psyche. Does anyone remember Cla Meredith? Travis Hafner hit a > 305-foot grand slam off him in his first appearance and was never effective > again with the Red Sox. > > 2. Hitters: In extra innings (11th? 12th? > 13th? 14th? I lost track.) they had two on and two out and Varitek coming to > the plate. Of all lead-pipe cinches in the universe, it was a guarantee that > he was not coming through with the big hit. Why not hit Mike Lowell in that > instance? I know managers don't like hitting for the catcher because of the > fear the backup might (MIGHT!) get hurt, but the Sox have THREE catchers on > the roster. The easy solution is move Martinez to catcher, Youk to first and > put Lowell at third. Then Kottaras is still on the bench. That's a total > head-scratcher. I also think he missed an opportunity in the 6th or 7th with > two on and no one out. He had Pedroia swing away, and he flied out to left. > With Beckett pitching the way he was, one or two runs would have won that > game. With the way this lineup is failing to produce, I think he had to have > Pedroia bunt the runners along. > > This season is getting away fast and > winning a game last night would have done some good to stop the bleeding. > They have no shot today (Buchholz v Sabathia? Painful...) so they're relying > on Lester tomorrow night to avoid a complete disaster. I just think Francona > had to be more aggressive to try to win last night, and instead he managed > the game like it was a Tuesday night in May against Kansas City. > > -- Matt > > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Matt & Olga McSorley < > [email protected] < > http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > From: Matt & Olga McSorley < > [email protected] < > http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: Pfeh > To: > [email protected] < > http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] > > > > Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, > 10:56 AM > > > You're right. > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Tom Salemi < > [email protected] < > http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > From: Tom Salemi < > [email protected] < > http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: Pfeh > To: > [email protected] < > http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] > > > Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, > 10:45 AM > > > Whoa, someone's cranky. Maybe you > should get to bed earlier. > > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:29 AM, > Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected] < > http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Thanks, guys. You've turned my frown upside-down! > > Oh, brother... > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Tom Salemi < > [email protected] < > http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > From: Tom Salemi < > [email protected] < > http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: Pfeh > To: > [email protected] < > http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] > > > Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, > 10:24 AM > > > A-Rod is still a puke. > > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:00 AM, > Ray Salemi <[email protected] < > http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: > > > You should feel better knowing that > I went to bed in the 10th inning and got a good night's sleep. > > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 9:48 AM, > Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected] < > http://us.mc309.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Knowing there was no way the Sox were going to score last night was like > watching a bad horror movie. You know the main character is coming to a bad > end and there's nothing you can do about it. > > Somebody make me feel better. Tell > me the lineup isn't that impotent, or that the starting pitching will come > around. Somebody help me! Lie to me, dammit!! > > -- Matt > > > > > > > > -- > > Author of "Leading After a Layoff: > Reignite Your Team's Productivity...Quickly" > www.leadingafteralayoff.com < > http://www.leadingafteralayoff.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Author of "Leading After a Layoff: Reignite Your Team's > Productivity...Quickly" > www.leadingafteralayoff.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Author of "Leading After a Layoff: Reignite Your Team's Productivity...Quickly" www.leadingafteralayoff.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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