Yes, and these screwed up calls are just killing the sport. I'm not sure if baseball will survive another 150 years.
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, it is baseball's heritage to screw up calls. Let's not mess with > that. > > And by the way, there is a big different between the "Amica pitch-zone" > that Remy likes to criticize and the QuesTec system which uses 4 cameras and > adjusts for the size of each batter. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tom Salemi > *Sent:* Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Umpires > > Perhaps it shouldn't. No sport is as bound to history as baseball. > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:19 AM, William Marino <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Calling balls and strikes with a computer and video camera may not be >> perfect, but at least it would be consistent. Players would adjust. Having a >> different guy out there every night with a different view of the strike zone >> is crazy. Baseball has been around for over a hundred years, and technology >> has developed. Baseball has not. >> >> >> >> -------------------------- >> Sent using BlackBerry >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thu Jun 03 10:19:41 2010 >> Subject: Re: Umpires >> >> Remy, Merloni and other former players question the ball and strike >> technology, at least what's used on TV. I'm not sure it's as infallible as >> you all like to think. >> >> Instant reply is a different issue entirely. I support that. >> >> And yes, the umpires should have consulted with one another. I'm not sure >> it would have made a difference but it should have been done. >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> I think Jerry Crasnick just lost all credibility among peers and >> viewers. And his comments are not even worth debating. >> >> >> >> But the issue of replay is worth debating. >> >> Very simply, it works in football and hockey and some college >> sports as well. It works in the same kind of close play situations that >> occur in baseball. Did he make the catch? Were his feet in bounds? Did >> the clock run out? Etc. It’s been proven to work. >> >> >> >> And as far as balls and strikes go, well, it’s been proven to work >> in tennis, which is very similar in technology to the balls and strikes >> thing. >> >> >> >> So, we have proof that it can work and I have not heard any valid >> arguments against it. >> >> >> >> Dump the umps. >> >> >> >> John >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: [email protected] [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] >> On Behalf Of Ray Salemi >> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:56 AM >> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Umpires >> >> >> >> Judging by football, the crowd get's pretty happy when that >> happens. >> >> >> >> I was at a Sox game when they overturned an Ortiz home run that >> had been called a triple. The crowd went wild. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Jerry Crasnick on ESPN.com. This is the second media person I've >> heard say this, and it's the absolute most daft thing I've ever read: >> >> >> >> "Inevitably, the game's sad ending is going to elicit an outcry >> for expanded use of instant replay. It's a worthwhile debate, but consider >> this for a second: How gratifying would it have felt if Joyce's botched call >> was followed by a trip to the replay booth, a five-minute conference, the >> umpiring crew emerging from the tunnel and Joyce throwing up his right arm >> with an "out" sign. >> >> Yes, Galarraga would have had his perfect game, on paper, but that >> single transcendent moment of celebration is something that can never be >> retrieved. In baseball or any other sport, winners don't get mulligans on >> euphoria." >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Steve Gendron <[email protected]> >> >> >> To: "[email protected]" < >> [email protected]> >> >> Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 8:39:13 AM >> Subject: RE: Umpires >> >> >> >> >> >> When you watch the play, you see that as Gallaraga comes off the >> bag, he shifts the ball in his glove. To the naked eye, it could appear >> that he didn't have control of the ball until after he was off the bag. In >> slow motion, it is apparent that he did have control of the ball while on >> the bag. I think that is why Joyce called him safe. >> >> >> >> Other than instant replay, it would be tough to automate calls >> like this. But balls and strikes at home plate should be a piece of cake. >> Dump the umps. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: [email protected] [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] >> On Behalf Of Matt & Olga McSorley >> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:13 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Umpires >> >> I think Joyce knew he blew the call right away. Cabrera at >> first, and then Leyland after the 28th out was recorded, read him the >> absolute riot act and Joyce stood there and took it. Umps don't take that >> kind of crap unless they know they're wrong. >> >> >> >> -- Matt >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: "Beaudoin, John" < >> [email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 8:05:51 AM >> Subject: Re: Umpires >> >> Sorry Steve. >> But that's your self-imposed criterion. It's not mine. >> >> Costing that pitchers millions in endorsements and income >> is cause enough. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: [email protected] < >> [email protected]> >> To: [email protected] < >> [email protected]> >> Sent: Thu Jun 03 04:53:41 2010 >> Subject: RE: Umpires >> >> >> >> >> > But the ultimate measure of an enforcement mechanism is >> whether or not it disrupted the competitive balance of a game. It did not. >> >> >> >> But it easily could have. 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