I actually don't think 12.5 per year for four years is overpaying. I was assuming that's the Red Sox position.
My sources tell me the Sox had to let V-mart go if they had any hope of signing Beltre. He was tired of the head rubbing. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > Agreed Dan. You can't say, "I'm willing to overpay for X" By the fact > that you're willing to pay, you are not overpaying. > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm not even convinced it IS overpaying, I mean $12.5 for a >> switch-hitting catcher? A good hitter with power? And a great >> club-house guy? Yeah, he's no Benjie Molina defensively, but I'd take >> V-Mart over Benjie every day of the week. >> >> Dan D >> Central NJ USA >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Tue, November 23, 2010 2:30:42 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: V-Mart to Tigers? >> >> I think he knows he needs to remain competitive, and I'm generally a fan >> of financial discipline. But I just think V-Mart is the kind of guy you >> overpay for, a catcher who can hit well. >> >> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> You know, I've been seeing more and more of these "the Sox won't pay" >>> conversations. >>> >>> I wonder if Henry is starting to make a business decision about the >>> minimum he has to spend to keep Fenway full. >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sox also offered him 4 years at $42 million. So we lost him over $8m >>>> total/$2m a year. >>>> >>>> I'll wait and see what the sox do, but I think this was a mistake. Even >>>> if he only caught the next three years (which the Sox must be anticipating) >>>> he's worth it. He hit HRs, and he hit them at the right time. And if >>>> Saltamacchia develops he did have the flexibility to move to first. >>>> >>>> While he'd be worth an extra $2.5m a year in my mind (which would have >>>> allowed the Sox to outbid the Tigers) I'd support a little more strongly if >>>> the Tigers promised he'd catch all four years. I doubt they did, but who >>>> knows. >>>> >>>> Still, his skills at the plate definitely compensated for any >>>> deficiencies behind it. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> He can switch to 1B or DH in later years. The Sox apparently did >>>>> offer him 3 years and $42 million, so they apparently didn't have a >>>>> concern >>>>> about what to do with him in later years. I just hate to lose his bat >>>>> for $8 million. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dan D >>>>> Central NJ USA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Sent:* Tue, November 23, 2010 12:14:09 PM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: V-Mart to Tigers? >>>>> >>>>> He's worth that this year, but does anyone think Martinez will be >>>>> catching in years three and four? >>>>> >>>>> Steve O >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> 4 years, $50 million reported.... If that's really true, I will be >>>>>> disappointed that we couldn't match that - $12.5 per is what we're paying >>>>>> Big Papi this year, if V-Mart isn't worth that..... >>>>>> >>>>>> Looks like Salty and Tek for us...... >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan D >>>>>> Central NJ USA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>>>> . >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Author of Robot >>> Haiku<http://www.amazon.com/Robot-Haiku-Humans-Robots-Decide/dp/1440511977/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1289168402&sr=8-1> >>> : Poems >>> for humans to read until their robots decide it's kill time. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Author of Robot > Haiku<http://www.amazon.com/Robot-Haiku-Humans-Robots-Decide/dp/1440511977/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1289168402&sr=8-1> > : Poems > for humans to read until their robots decide it's kill time. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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