Is Chicken Little Pedroia? I'm confused. On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]>wrote:
> Are we happy? > > Does anyone have anything negative to say about Pedroia? > > > > If they close out April above .500, then I think Chicken Little goes > packing for the season. > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi > *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2011 1:22 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Tek must go > > > > I just remember being glad that Francona was sticking with him. > > > But, I admit that I never expected a "laser show". > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> > wrote: > > No need. I concede this point. Some of the references have jogged my > memory. I just was pulling for him I guess. I love an underdog. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Ouellette > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Tek must go > > I just actually delved into the archives to see who said what ... and > Ray created this group on May 8 of 2007, about a week after Pedroia > broke out of his doldrums. > > Conveniently, the evidence must have died with the old Topica list :-) > > Steve O > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm with Steve. That's exactly how I remember it. I could be revising > > history, too, but I remember being supportive of Pedroia because I'd seen > > him at AA (oh, the joys of having AA ball 15 minutes from home) and knew > he > > could play. Of course, one of you will now dive into the archives and > find > > contrary evidence. > > > > :) Matt > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 11:28:34 AM > > Subject: Re: Tek must go > > > > That's revisionist history. I'd say 90 percent of Red Sox nation > > (Jerry Remy was the worst) gave up on Pedroia at the time. He was too > > small and his swing was too long and he was hitting .172 on May 1, > > after going .191-.258.303 in 31 games at the end of 2006. The support > > for Alex Cora was deafening. > > > > Steve O > > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Beaudoin, John > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't remember the "gave up on Pedroia" thing. > >> > >> Do you mean when he started his second season with a bad set of AB's? > >> > >> I don't think anyone gave up on him. That would be like giving up on > Fred > >> Lynn or Jim Rice in 75. > >> > >> > >> > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi > >> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:13 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> > >> Subject: Re: Tek must go > >> > >> > >> > >> I never gave up on Pedroia. All the stats pointed to a great career > (same > >> with Lowrie). > >> > >> > >> > >> Just saying. I'm actually surprised to hear two people say that > >> "everyone" > >> had. > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Steve Ouellette < > [email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Yeah, I don't know what can be done about hitting with RISP. It's been > >> particularly maddening the number of times that there are guys on > >> third base and they can't put the ball in play. But what do they do -- > >> have team meetings or yell at guys or blame the hitting coach? > >> > >> Salty hasn't been good, but (damning with faint praise) he has thrown > >> and hit better than Varitek. I will not evoke the spirit of Dustin > >> Pedroia -- who nearly everyone gave up on as a rookie -- because Salty > >> doesn't have the same minor league track record, but he has the > >> potential to be good if he gets a chance. There is no potential in > >> Tek; what you see is what you get. > >> > >> Steve O > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> But hitting with RISP isn't a personnel issue. The bats will come > around. > >>> That isn't the case with catching. I doubt Tek is physically able to > >>> catch > >>> more than one-third a season. Is Salty able to shoulder the rest? I can > >>> take > >>> a hole in the line up if he were a defensive whiz but I'm not seeing > any > >>> sign of that. > >>> > >>> On Apr 22, 2011 9:17 AM, "Dan DiBiase" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> I'm with you, Larry. I just can't get all hepped up over the catching > >>>> situation > >>>> at this point. I think we have larger issues right now, some of > >>>> which you mentioned. Hitting with RISP is another concern. > >>>> > >>>> Dan D > >>>> Central NJ USA > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Larry Rupp <[email protected]> > >>>> To: "[email protected]" < > [email protected]> > >>>> Cc: "[email protected]" < > [email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:06:32 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: Tek must go > >>>> > >>>> My point was if Salty and Tek have equivalent throw and hit stats, > then > >>>> the > >>>> pitching staff prefers Tek calling the game versus Salty. So... Adding > a > >>>> AAA > >>>> catcher doesn't solve the pitching challenge which appears to be > turning > >>>> around > >>>> now. Our bigger challenges are Crawford isn't hitting, Youk has had a > >>>> slow > >>>> start, and pitching started slow. Now the pitching seems to be turning > - > >>>> whether due to Tek or otherwise - at least we appear to be on a better > >>>> trajectory in this category. Tek may not be hitting but if he's > pulling > >>>> the > >>>> ERAs down dramatically I can live with a low avg in the 7 or 8 hole. > >>>> > >>>> Any news on Youk this morning? > >>>> > >>>> Sent from Larry's mobile device > >>>> > >>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:24 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected] > > > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> That's what I'm saying. The Sox have good pitchers who could throw to > >>>>> a pitchback if they had to (and the pitchback would have a more > >>>>> threatening bat). Salty has struggled in 36 at bats, but Varitek > >>>>> hasn't been able to hit in four years. Let Varitek play once or twice > >>>>> a week when the Sox are facing lefthanders, but throw Salty out there > >>>>> full-time and see if he comes around. If he hasn't by July, go get > >>>>> someone else. > >>>>> > >>>>> Hell, even at .194, Salty is hitting four times better than Varitek. > >>>>> > >>>>> Steve O > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>> Captain and respect of the pitching staff????? > >>>>>> He can't hit and he can't throw. God forbid he should get more > playing > >>>>>> time. > >>>>>> We can't eat respect. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Larry Rupp <[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> He's the Captain AND he has the respect of the pitching staff... > Not > >>>>>>> sure > >>>>>>> Salty will come around but if Salty isn't hitting or throwing out > >>>>>>> stealers > >>>>>>> then Tek calls the better game between the two - thus going to get > >>>>>>> more > >>>>>>> playing time in the near term. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sent from Larry's Verizon powered iPad > >>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There is No Way that there isn't a competent AAA catcher who could > do > >>>>>>> as > >>>>>>> good a job as Tek. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Author of Robot Haiku : Poems for humans to read until their robots > >>>>>>> decide > >>>>>>> it's kill time. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> You received this message 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