I just actually delved into the archives to see who said what ... and Ray created this group on May 8 of 2007, about a week after Pedroia broke out of his doldrums.
Conveniently, the evidence must have died with the old Topica list :-) Steve O On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm with Steve. That's exactly how I remember it. I could be revising > history, too, but I remember being supportive of Pedroia because I'd seen > him at AA (oh, the joys of having AA ball 15 minutes from home) and knew he > could play. Of course, one of you will now dive into the archives and find > contrary evidence. > > :) Matt > > ________________________________ > From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 11:28:34 AM > Subject: Re: Tek must go > > That's revisionist history. I'd say 90 percent of Red Sox nation > (Jerry Remy was the worst) gave up on Pedroia at the time. He was too > small and his swing was too long and he was hitting .172 on May 1, > after going .191-.258.303 in 31 games at the end of 2006. The support > for Alex Cora was deafening. > > Steve O > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Beaudoin, John > <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don’t remember the “gave up on Pedroia” thing. >> >> Do you mean when he started his second season with a bad set of AB’s? >> >> I don’t think anyone gave up on him. That would be like giving up on Fred >> Lynn or Jim Rice in 75. >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi >> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:13 AM >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: Tek must go >> >> >> >> I never gave up on Pedroia. All the stats pointed to a great career (same >> with Lowrie). >> >> >> >> Just saying. I'm actually surprised to hear two people say that >> "everyone" >> had. >> >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Yeah, I don't know what can be done about hitting with RISP. It's been >> particularly maddening the number of times that there are guys on >> third base and they can't put the ball in play. But what do they do -- >> have team meetings or yell at guys or blame the hitting coach? >> >> Salty hasn't been good, but (damning with faint praise) he has thrown >> and hit better than Varitek. I will not evoke the spirit of Dustin >> Pedroia -- who nearly everyone gave up on as a rookie -- because Salty >> doesn't have the same minor league track record, but he has the >> potential to be good if he gets a chance. There is no potential in >> Tek; what you see is what you get. >> >> Steve O >> >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> But hitting with RISP isn't a personnel issue. The bats will come around. >>> That isn't the case with catching. I doubt Tek is physically able to >>> catch >>> more than one-third a season. Is Salty able to shoulder the rest? I can >>> take >>> a hole in the line up if he were a defensive whiz but I'm not seeing any >>> sign of that. >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2011 9:17 AM, "Dan DiBiase" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I'm with you, Larry. I just can't get all hepped up over the catching >>>> situation >>>> at this point. I think we have larger issues right now, some of >>>> which you mentioned. Hitting with RISP is another concern. >>>> >>>> Dan D >>>> Central NJ USA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Larry Rupp <[email protected]> >>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:06:32 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Tek must go >>>> >>>> My point was if Salty and Tek have equivalent throw and hit stats, then >>>> the >>>> pitching staff prefers Tek calling the game versus Salty. So... Adding a >>>> AAA >>>> catcher doesn't solve the pitching challenge which appears to be turning >>>> around >>>> now. Our bigger challenges are Crawford isn't hitting, Youk has had a >>>> slow >>>> start, and pitching started slow. Now the pitching seems to be turning - >>>> whether due to Tek or otherwise - at least we appear to be on a better >>>> trajectory in this category. Tek may not be hitting but if he's pulling >>>> the >>>> ERAs down dramatically I can live with a low avg in the 7 or 8 hole. >>>> >>>> Any news on Youk this morning? >>>> >>>> Sent from Larry's mobile device >>>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:24 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's what I'm saying. The Sox have good pitchers who could throw to >>>>> a pitchback if they had to (and the pitchback would have a more >>>>> threatening bat). Salty has struggled in 36 at bats, but Varitek >>>>> hasn't been able to hit in four years. Let Varitek play once or twice >>>>> a week when the Sox are facing lefthanders, but throw Salty out there >>>>> full-time and see if he comes around. If he hasn't by July, go get >>>>> someone else. >>>>> >>>>> Hell, even at .194, Salty is hitting four times better than Varitek. >>>>> >>>>> Steve O >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Captain and respect of the pitching staff????? >>>>>> He can't hit and he can't throw. God forbid he should get more playing >>>>>> time. >>>>>> We can't eat respect. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Larry Rupp <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He's the Captain AND he has the respect of the pitching staff... Not >>>>>>> sure >>>>>>> Salty will come around but if Salty isn't hitting or throwing out >>>>>>> stealers >>>>>>> then Tek calls the better game between the two - thus going to get >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> playing time in the near term. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from Larry's Verizon powered iPad >>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is No Way that there isn't a competent AAA catcher who could do >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> good a job as Tek. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Author of Robot Haiku : Poems for humans to read until their robots >>>>>>> decide >>>>>>> it's kill time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> 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