I haven't panicked or been frantic, just disappointed at the start, really. I mean, for a while there, they were doing EVERYTHING wrong. Couldn't pitch, couldn't hit, couldn't play defense, couldn't run the bases. Pretty much realized that they
will come out of it, and the Clevelands/Baltimores/KCs of the world will revert back to themselves as well. The Sox have too much talent not to contend. Ithink they spent a little too much time focusing on the 100 games thing. Dan D Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: "Beaudoin, John" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 2:02:43 PM Subject: RE: Tek must go If the Sox are .500 by the end of April, the all the people claiming the sky is falling will be silent. The pitching staff is pretty good. The hitting line-up is excellent and will come around. This is a good team that will contend for the play-offs. I like our chances. Now, with all that in mind, I’ve noticed that not too many people on this group are very frantic and everyone seems to just be a little annoyed at the present conditions. John From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Salemi Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tek must go Is Chicken Little Pedroia? I'm confused. On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> wrote: Are we happy? Does anyone have anything negative to say about Pedroia? If they close out April above .500, then I think Chicken Little goes packing for the season. From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tek must go I just remember being glad that Francona was sticking with him. But, I admit that I never expected a "laser show". On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> wrote: No need. I concede this point. Some of the references have jogged my memory. I just was pulling for him I guess. I love an underdog. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Ouellette Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tek must go I just actually delved into the archives to see who said what ... and Ray created this group on May 8 of 2007, about a week after Pedroia broke out of his doldrums. Conveniently, the evidence must have died with the old Topica list :-) Steve O On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm with Steve. That's exactly how I remember it. I could be revising > history, too, but I remember being supportive of Pedroia because I'd seen > him at AA (oh, the joys of having AA ball 15 minutes from home) and knew he > could play. Of course, one of you will now dive into the archives and find > contrary evidence. > > :) Matt > > ________________________________ > From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 11:28:34 AM > Subject: Re: Tek must go > > That's revisionist history. I'd say 90 percent of Red Sox nation > (Jerry Remy was the worst) gave up on Pedroia at the time. He was too > small and his swing was too long and he was hitting .172 on May 1, > after going .191-.258.303 in 31 games at the end of 2006. The support > for Alex Cora was deafening. > > Steve O > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Beaudoin, John > <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't remember the "gave up on Pedroia" thing. >> >> Do you mean when he started his second season with a bad set of AB's? >> >> I don't think anyone gave up on him. That would be like giving up on Fred >> Lynn or Jim Rice in 75. >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi >> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:13 AM >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: Tek must go >> >> >> >> I never gave up on Pedroia. All the stats pointed to a great career (same >> with Lowrie). >> >> >> >> Just saying. I'm actually surprised to hear two people say that >> "everyone" >> had. >> >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Yeah, I don't know what can be done about hitting with RISP. It's been >> particularly maddening the number of times that there are guys on >> third base and they can't put the ball in play. But what do they do -- >> have team meetings or yell at guys or blame the hitting coach? >> >> Salty hasn't been good, but (damning with faint praise) he has thrown >> and hit better than Varitek. I will not evoke the spirit of Dustin >> Pedroia -- who nearly everyone gave up on as a rookie -- because Salty >> doesn't have the same minor league track record, but he has the >> potential to be good if he gets a chance. There is no potential in >> Tek; what you see is what you get. >> >> Steve O >> >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> But hitting with RISP isn't a personnel issue. The bats will come around. >>> That isn't the case with catching. I doubt Tek is physically able to >>> catch >>> more than one-third a season. Is Salty able to shoulder the rest? I can >>> take >>> a hole in the line up if he were a defensive whiz but I'm not seeing any >>> sign of that. >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2011 9:17 AM, "Dan DiBiase" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I'm with you, Larry. I just can't get all hepped up over the catching >>>> situation >>>> at this point. I think we have larger issues right now, some of >>>> which you mentioned. Hitting with RISP is another concern. >>>> >>>> Dan D >>>> Central NJ USA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Larry Rupp <[email protected]> >>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:06:32 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Tek must go >>>> >>>> My point was if Salty and Tek have equivalent throw and hit stats, then >>>> the >>>> pitching staff prefers Tek calling the game versus Salty. So... Adding a >>>> AAA >>>> catcher doesn't solve the pitching challenge which appears to be turning >>>> around >>>> now. Our bigger challenges are Crawford isn't hitting, Youk has had a >>>> slow >>>> start, and pitching started slow. Now the pitching seems to be turning - >>>> whether due to Tek or otherwise - at least we appear to be on a better >>>> trajectory in this category. Tek may not be hitting but if he's pulling >>>> the >>>> ERAs down dramatically I can live with a low avg in the 7 or 8 hole. >>>> >>>> Any news on Youk this morning? >>>> >>>> Sent from Larry's mobile device >>>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:24 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's what I'm saying. The Sox have good pitchers who could throw to >>>>> a pitchback if they had to (and the pitchback would have a more >>>>> threatening bat). Salty has struggled in 36 at bats, but Varitek >>>>> hasn't been able to hit in four years. Let Varitek play once or twice >>>>> a week when the Sox are facing lefthanders, but throw Salty out there >>>>> full-time and see if he comes around. If he hasn't by July, go get >>>>> someone else. >>>>> >>>>> Hell, even at .194, Salty is hitting four times better than Varitek. >>>>> >>>>> Steve O >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Captain and respect of the pitching staff????? >>>>>> He can't hit and he can't throw. God forbid he should get more playing >>>>>> time. >>>>>> We can't eat respect. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Larry Rupp <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He's the Captain AND he has the respect of the pitching staff... Not >>>>>>> sure >>>>>>> Salty will come around but if Salty isn't hitting or throwing out >>>>>>> stealers >>>>>>> then Tek calls the better game between the two - thus going to get >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> playing time in the near term. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from Larry's Verizon powered iPad >>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is No Way that there isn't a competent AAA catcher who could do >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> good a job as Tek. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Author of Robot Haiku : Poems for humans to read until their robots >>>>>>> decide >>>>>>> it's kill time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> 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