I guess it boils down to this. I was never excited about Dice-K. I consider signing a Japanese pitcher to be similar to signing a National League pitcher or even a AAA pitcher. This was not the same as getting an established American League ace, but we paid ace money.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: > I guess we could argue all day about what is “foolish use of money”. It > is easy to look back and say it was foolish to sign Dice-K for that amount > of money, but at the time you could make a case that it was a reasonable > investment. It was an investment that was well within the means of the > team. It didn’t threaten the solvency of the organization and it brought us > a much needed piece of what turned out to be a championship team. > > > > My advice is to stop worrying about John Henry’s tax return. The team > should make all the “wise” investments in scouting and building quality > “home-grown” talent (as they have done with Youk, Pedroia, Elsbury, > Papelbon…), but not be afraid to make the large investments in quality free > agents. Sometimes those investments will work out, and sometimes they > won’t, but it does not make them foolish. > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi > *Sent:* Saturday, June 04, 2011 2:02 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Dice-K > > > > It is certainly possible to win and be foolish with your money. But I > think we have a better chance of winning if we're smart. > > On Jun 4, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: > > My point is that the only measure of success in MLB is winning or > losing. If the Sox do not win, I take no solace in the fact that their > ledger is well balanced. > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi > *Sent:* Saturday, June 04, 2011 12:43 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Dice-K > > > > How is losing the World Series a wise use of money? > > On Jun 3, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: > > So, as a fan, you would be happier if the Sox lost the World Series , but > had a lower payroll? > > > > [image: http://www.cadence.com/mail/footer_gray_640.gif] > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi > *Sent:* Friday, June 03, 2011 8:15 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Dice-K > > > > I consider the wise use of money to be part of the skill of the MLB game. > So, just as I criticized idiocy in Lugo, I complain about money wasted on > DiceK > > . > > > On Jun 3, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: > > It is hard to argue that $20M per year (including the $50M fee) is a fair > price for any player. The money in baseball is just stupid. However, it > was about the going rate for an experienced pitcher with his credentials at > 26 years of age. Most pitchers have their best years ahead of them at that > age. It was a calculated risk that didn’t work out as well as the team had > hoped. > > > > Furthermore, Dice K was not terrible. 2007 was pretty good, and it > culminated with a game 7 win over the Indians in the ALCS, and a game 3 win > over the Rockies in the WS. 2008 was outstanding. At that point, I think > we would have all agreed that it was worth the investment to bring Dice to > the Sox. At 28 years old, who would have predicted it would be all downhill > from there. > > > > And I revert to my usual position. It is not up to the fans to worry about > player salaries. The Red Sox are underpaying some players and overpaying > others. It all comes out in the wash. The franchise is a HUGE moneymaker. > John Henry makes a fortune whether he pays Dice-K $20M or $200K. Why do we > care how much additional profit he makes on the team? Bring me the best > players and bring me championships and I will continue buying the tickets, > hot dogs, beers, shirts, hats, and season subscriptions to NESN. It is a > win-win. > > > > I am sad to see the Dice-K era come to an end. I was always hopeful he > would turn it around and fulfill his promise. > > > > Steve > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Dan DiBiase > *Sent:* Friday, June 03, 2011 6:47 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Dice-K > > > > Larry, actually, 2011 was his last year signed with the Sox, so he's > effectively done. > > It seemed like a lot of money for ANY pitcher at the time, and very few > 'experts' sounded a note of caution. And he was an excellent > pitcher in Japan, but it just didn't seem like his skills translated here. > Too many pitches, too much of a 'backwards' pitcher, too stubborn > to use his fastball, too disinclined to get into shape. Ah well, it only > cost the Sox money, at least we didn't have to send any prospects > away for him (although would they have been more reluctant to sent Casey > Kelly to SD in the Gonzalez deal if we didn't have Dice-K?). > > > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Larry Rupp <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 8:36:14 PM > *Subject:* Re: Dice-K > > The lack of traffic on this topic has me believe either our group is all on > a long Memorial Day holiday or just doesn't care anymore for dice - either > way it would appear we no longer have to worry about him on the roster this > season however didn't we lock him up for 6 years - 2 good years, 2 bad > years, this season and next year? The pitching market is not looking good > this year - Yankees are already looking and have come up empty thus far and > will drive prices high for the limited pitchers potentially on the market. > Settle in for some knuckleballs - and Salty having more passballs... > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: > > Looks like he will be getting Tommy John-san surgery, effectively ending > his time with the Sox. > > > http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/06/as_daisuke_mats.html > > > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- Author of Robot Haiku<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1440511977?ie=UTF8&tag=rayspicks&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1440511977> : Poems for humans to read until their robots decide it's kill time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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