If you remember Lowe actually was a disaster in 04 (talk about drinking in the clubhouse). He won 14, but his ERA was well over five. He barely made the post season roster.
Then he did what no one else had done before..... The other starters were Bronson Arroyo, Wakefield So you're comparing Pedro Schilling Lowe Wakefield Arroyo to Lester Buchholz Lackey Beckett Daisuke I'd go with 2004 as well just because of Pedro and Schilling, but the 2011 rotation, if they met expectations, would have been good. But now the question is are those expectations reasonable. I saw no reason to doubt Lester or Bucholz. Lackey had been consistent until the previous year, so a bounceback was reasonable. Beckett and Daisuke were true wild cards. But I'm not sure where we go from here. I think Lester and Bucholz should be okay next year, but the rest are giant question marks. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > It certainly could. But until you have something fall apart like that, > it's pretty easy to get complacent. > > And really Youk, Pedroia, etc held up their end of the bargain. > > The real problem was that we didn't have a rotation. In 1986 it was > > Clemens > Hurst > Boyd > Nipper > Seaver > > In 2004 it was > > Martinez > Schilling > Lowe > > > In 2011 it was a mess. > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: > >> OTOH, don't you think a lot of these guys have big egos and a lot of >> pride? I would think that the way the season ended >> would really bother many of them, especially being the butt of jokes, etc. >> I would think that guys like Beckett, Lester, Pedroia, >> Youk (esp since he couldn't play) would really be pretty pissed and extra >> motivated for 2012. Especially knowing that their >> actions caused them to lose a manager I think they all liked and basically >> treated them like adults. I think the situation might >> have been lessened if they had made it in but lost in the first round. >> Maybe the way the ended the season will really get under >> their skin and provide some extra motivation for 2012. >> >> Dan D >> Central NJ USA >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:36 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: Phils / Cards >> >> Good point. >> >> The level of commitment to winning seems like it could be related to the >> level of commitment to weight loss. You say you're all for it, but there is >> a little notch of extra focus that's necessary to make it happen. >> >> The problem is, once you lose it, it is difficult to get it back. >> >> Ray >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Yes. Now imagine you’re Josh Beckett. You’ve already got a WS ring and >> all the money you will ever need. Meanwhile, perfection is really hard >> work. “Hey Lackey – pass me another Sam Adams will ya?”**** >> ** ** >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2011 11:25 AM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Phils / Cards**** >> ** ** >> I can attest to this from personal experience (except for the clubhouse >> part).**** >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: >> **** >> But, after a few beers in the clubhouse, perfection seems to lose its >> luster.**** >> **** >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:59 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Phils / Cards**** >> **** >> I listened to this when I was driving home from the Airport.**** >> **** >> I can't imagine any Red Sox pitcher succeeding in a game like this. >> Same goes for the 3-2 Tigers win and the extra-innings game.**** >> **** >> Curt Schilling said that the key to playoff pitching is that you have to >> be perfect. He said the he liked having to be perfect, but a lot of guys >> don't.**** >> **** >> I can't see one Red Sox pitcher who would have survived this pressure >> cooker.**** >> **** >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote:* >> *** >> Anybody else watching this game in the ninth. Great pitcher’s duel. >> Win or lose, Halladay is just a stud. 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