I agree with the requirements thing. As a matter of fact, I will go out on a
limb and say that LPS may even be a bit more difficult to care for. Once you
get the right set up for SPS, it is a matter of keeping your calcium and alk
levels correct, and avoiding excess nutrients. LPS for me at least, are a
bit more difficult. They seem to be harder to place correctly in the
aquarium. They are more particular of current and light levels, and really,
for long term success, should be fed regularly and I would say are dependent
on feedings to grow. This becomes even more difficult if you  have branched
species because you have to feed each branch individually. Then you have to
deal with fish and shrimps stealing the animals food, so you have to stand
guard making sure that does not happen. Next comes challenge with disease.
Last resort with an SPS if it becomes diseased is to frag what you can and
at least then, you can save part of the animal. With LPS, it is much more
difficult to do that. You pretty much have to save the entire animal, or the
whole thing will die (or at least a branch of it, if it is a branched
species).

I dunno, I just think LPS have a rap for being easier to keep, and I like
you Andrew, dont really think so. Different requirements, but definitely not
easier. I still have trouble picturing a nice big hammer or bubble coral
sitting on a reef crest under smashing waves and huge amounts of current, so
I still cant, personally, consider the LPS and SPS as the same thing....as
you said, different requirements.

IMO
Shane C.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Dillard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:26 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:      Re: fire coral
> 
> ?????
>  
> I would say they have different requirements, not really more difficult.
> Also, both types can be found anywhere on the reef, in many conditions, in
> fact the world's leading coral writer says there is no difference....  For
> what reasons are you calling millepora an LPS?  It is more closely related
> to jelly fish than any lps.  Also, I have not heard of this book that you
> are reffering to but it seems a bit outdated, millepora are a reef crest
> coral and need high light levels and a TON of current.  
>  
> HTH
> Andrew
>  
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
>       From: Sisemore, Chris <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>       To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' <mailto:'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'> 
>       Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:49 PM
>       Subject: RE: fire coral
> 
> 
>       Actually all the corals you named are LPS & yes, generally LPS is
> hardier than SPS. 
>       Chris 
> 
>       -----Original Message----- 
>       From: Marco Arturo Delsordo Jim�nez [
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] 
>       Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:41 PM 
>       To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>       Subject: RE: fire coral 
> 
> 
>       ohhhh my God, you just shock my world.. 
>       so you�re saying that a torch or hammer is hardier than a open brain
> or a 
>       fire coral? 
>       so the jelly corals are hardier than stony corals???   i thought
> just the 
>       opposite thing!!! 
>       the moon is then a LPS right? and a fire is a SPS?? 
>       ohhh my god, at LFS in here they tell you stony corals are hardier
> than 
>       those who moves with the water like hammer or torch 
> 
>       -----Original Message----- 
>       From: Shane Clays [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] 
>       Sent: Viernes, 26 de Octubre de 2001 01:31 p.m. 
>       To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
>       Subject: RE: fire coral 
> 
> 
>       LPS: Frogspawn/Hammer/Torch/Open Brain 
>       SPS: Acropora/Pocillapora/Tubinaria/Closed Brain 
> 
>       The difference is that the SPS are rigid corals that do not move in
> the 
>       current. LPS are large polyped, jelly like corals that move a lot
> when 
>       current is blown on them. LPS take large prey items, SPS take tiny
> prey 
>       items. If you can see the mouth on the coral plainly, then chances
> are you 
>       are looking at an LPS. 
> 
>       HTH 
>       Shane 
> 
>       > -----Original Message----- 
>       > From: Marco  Arturo Delsordo Jim�nez [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
>       > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:14 PM 
>       > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>       > Subject:      RE: fire coral 
>       > 
>       > can you give me some examples of lps and sps?? i just  don�t get
> the 
>       > difference between these. 
>       > what is a moon coral , sps or lps? and open brain and fire? 
>       > 
>       >       -----Original Message----- 
>       >       From: Sisemore, Chris [
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] 
>       >       Sent: Viernes, 26 de Octubre de 2001 12:55 p.m. 
>       >       To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
>       >       Subject: RE: fire coral 
>       >       
>       >       
>       >       Some buttons, polyps & sea mats are 1. 
>       >       Mushrooms & some softies start at 2. 
>       >       LPS seem to be mostly 4-8. 
>       >       SPS seem to be mostly 6-10. 
>       >       Gonioporas are 10 & say NOT RECOMMENDED. 
>       >        
>       >       I like this book, it has good pics. & there is a new edition
> I 
>       > haven't seen yet. 
>       >       FWIW 
>       >       Chris 
>       > 
>       >               -----Original Message----- 
>       >               From: Marco Arturo Delsordo Jim�nez 
>       > [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] 
>       >               Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:36 PM 
>       >               To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>       >               Subject: RE: fire coral 
>       >               
>       >               
>       >               Thanks Chris. 
>       >               Good to know you�re a good diver. 
>       >               Difficulty 7,,, do you know of a coral that is 1??
> or 2?? I 
>       > think most corals are from 6 to 10 right? 
>       >               Gonioporas are 10 i think. 
>       > 
>       >                       -----Original Message----- 
>       >                       From: Sisemore, Chris 
>       > [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] 
>       >                       Sent: Viernes, 26 de Octubre de 2001 12:20
> p.m. 
>       >                       To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
>       >                       Subject: RE: fire coral 
>       >                       
>       >                       
>       >                       What I know about fire coral is mostly from
> divers 
>       > say & that is it burns like fire if you touch it. (hence the name)
> I 
>       > wouldn't know personally because good divers never touch the
> coral. I have 
>       > never heard of a pink species though, usually it is a dark mustard
> color. 
>       > "The Practical Guide TO Corals" has this description. 
>       >                       Lighting 6-10 ( 8 = Most intense possible
> using VHO 
>       > or PC) 
>       >                       Water flow L-M 
>       >                       Aggressiveness High ( Has sufficient
> structures to 
>       > allow it to rapidly damage or kill other species anywhere nearby.)
> 
>       >                       Difficulty of care 7 ( On a scale of 1-10 ) 
>       >                        
>       >                       HTH 
>       >                       Chris 
>       > 
>       >                       -----Original Message----- 
>       >                       From: Marco Arturo Delsordo Jim�nez 
>       > [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] 
>       >                       Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:01 PM 
>       >                       To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>       >                       Subject: fire coral 
>       >                       
>       >                       
>       >                       and what about tis coral, ne1 had experience
> with 
>       > it? it is called also millepora alcicornis 
>       > 
>       >                       -----Original Message----- 
>       >                       From: Sisemore, Chris 
>       > [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] 
>       >                       Sent: Viernes, 26 de Octubre de 2001 11:18
> a.m. 
>       >                       To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
>       >                       Subject: RE: Marine snow 
>       >                       
>       >                       
>       >                       I have never tried it but I tried C-Balance
> by TLF & 
>       > found it to be worthless. FWIW 
>       >                       Chris 
>       > 
>       >                       -----Original Message----- 
>       >                       From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>       > [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] 
>       >                       Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:16 PM 
>       >                       To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>       >                       Subject: Re: Marine snow 
>       >                       
>       >                       
>       >                       I'm interested in this outcome also. I've
> seen a 
>       > bunch of ads for Marine Snow, and it sounds great to me. But I
> just read a 
>       > FAQ on wetwebmedia about using it, and Robert Fenner's reply was:
> "<this 
>       > stuff is a scam... no real nutritional value... a real shame on
> TLF.>". 
>       > How could there be so many "snake oils" in this business? It's
> really 
>       > discouraging when something sounds so good and turns out to be
> garbage, 
>       > and that seems to be happening a lot to me lately. Please let me
> know if 
>       > you think it works, which I hope it does. 
>       >                       
>       >                       Tracy 
>       >                       
>       >                       
>       > 
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