you�re right Shane, i will run that pum  several times in the day and turn
it off at night so my fishes can rest in peace.
I�ll direct it�s flow to my live rock, I think it will be a good idea.
did you saw the pics of the link Arturo send to us? did you like it?


-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Clays [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Mi�rcoles, 10 de Octubre de 2001 01:21 p.m.
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Return from sump


Yep, if it is glass, you should probably leave it alone. Mine was glass, but
it is non tempered so we were able to drill, no problem. You can add another
powerhead, and then put it on a timer so that it is not on all the time.
Have it come on and off during the day and then shut totally off at night.
That would probably be a good idea, not a sucky one! 

More movement is almost always better, if it is aimed right. IMO, water
movement, in the right way, is one of the things most of our tanks lack. The
challenge is we have hard streaming lines of water from our powerheads
instead of large surging flows like that of the ocean.

IMO
Shane C.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marco Delsordo [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:03 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:      RE: Return from sump
> 
> i got it, they must be very useful, but the problem is drilling the bottom
> of your tank if it is all glass, right?
> I think i�ll stick to my only power head.
> By the way, my tank has only one 402 Hagen power head for water movement
> and
> the return from sump with my lg 4mdqsc.
> I�m thinking on  adding an 802 ph and direct the flow to the live rock,
> but
> i�m afraid this would be too much for my fishes, and they become very
> tired
> and stressed.
> Is really another power head necessary?, is more movement always  better?
> The movement on my water is kindda circular if you know what i mean,
> because
> the inflow is in the upper right side of my tank  and the ph is on the
> left
> glass in the middle, so it generates a cycle in the water mov, and by
> adding
> the other ph in an opposite direction i would create a different flow
> inside
> the tank to change a little that circular movement.
> Is this a good idea or it sucks?
> Thanks
> Marco
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shane Clays [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Mi�rcoles, 10 de Octubre de 2001 12:19 p.m.
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: Return from sump
> 
> 
> closed loop is where there is an input and an output drilled into the tank
> and a pump that is dedicated to that input and output. You plump the input
> and output of the pump to the tank. That way, you have additional current
> in
> the tank, it is very easy to hide, and if the power goes out, it will not
> flood because the water pressure is equalized. I have a 1 inch bulkheads
> drilled into the bottom of my tank and they are plumed with 1 inch pipe to
> a
> mag 24 (which by the way is too much). It is on a random timer, and turns
> on
> and off surging water into the tank. You cant even see them, because they
> are on the bottom of the tank, and are easily concealed with LR.
> 
> Shane
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:       Marco Delsordo [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:       Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:14 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:    RE: Return from sump
> > 
> > what is a closed loop????
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shane Clays [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Mi�rcoles, 10 de Octubre de 2001 12:08 p.m.
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: Return from sump
> > 
> > 
> > No, I am considering moving my whole PC out into the room where the tank
> > is
> > and getting some pics that way. My PC camera is not that great though.
> Not
> > only that, but I am not so sure my tank is amazing, or even impressive
> as
> > far as that goes!
> > 
> > Output depends. How big is the tank again???  If it is above a 29
> gallon,
> > I
> > would split em and put one on each side of the tank.
> > 
> > Powerheads will work for dead spots, but if you can do a closed loop,
> that
> > is the way to go. I have used closed loops on my tank, and I love it. If
> > you
> > run one with a timer, you can turn the pump running the loop on and off
> to
> > create surges.
> > 
> > Shane C.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:     Jose Arturo Perez Vera [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent:     Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:05 AM
> > > To:       '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > > Subject:  RE: Return from sump
> > > 
> > >  Shane: 
> > > 
> > > Did you find a solution about your USB to take some pictures of your
> > > setup? 
> > > 
> > > I think all the people involved in this list will be pleasure to see
> how
> > > amazing your tank is. 
> > > 
> > > By the way, Do you think only one ouput on the surface will be enough?
> I
> > > was thinkind on put 1 or 2 Powerheads pointing behind the rock
> structure
> > > to skip dead spots behind.
> > > 
> > > Is this a good Idea? or maybe some closed loops in the tank? 
> > > 
> > > TIA. 
> > > 
> > > :-) 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message----- 
> > > From: Shane Clays 
> > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
> > > Sent: 10/10/01 11:57 AM 
> > > Subject: RE: Return from sump 
> > > 
> > > You want your outputs at the top of the tank so if the power goes off,
> 
> > > the 
> > > water does not backflow and overflow the sump. You should be able to 
> > > shut 
> > > the pump off and let the tank drain until the siphon in the output 
> > > breaks 
> > > without overflowing the sump. You can put a small powerhead in the
> tank 
> > > facing up towards the surface to help agitate it, and an output from 
> > > your 
> > > sump pump aimed across the top of the surface of the tank will help as
> 
> > > well. 
> > > 
> > > Shane C. 
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message----- 
> > > > From: Jose Arturo Perez Vera [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:19 AM 
> > > > To:   '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' 
> > > > Subject:      Return from sump 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi ! 
> > > > 
> > > > Can anybody tell me which is the best place to put the water again
> on 
> > > the 
> > > > tank from the sump? 
> > > > 
> > > > Any good ideas to get good circulation or surface agitation? 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks ! 
> > > > 
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