Yeah, and then you get one client using Notes on a Mac. Holy mother! There's yet to exist a BrowserShots.org for email clients, though I'm not going to hold my breath...
Art Thompson, Jr. Logical Things - Web, Design & Marketing Solutions 917-609-1158 [m] 512-692-9865 [w] www.logicalthings.com linkedin.com/in/logicalthings twitter.com/logicalthings On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Keith Aric Hall <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the link. I will definitely get acquainted with the information > presented there. I remember the nightmares I used to have developing emails > for the plethora of email clients. Tough ones like Lotus Notes were my fave! > Especially since the only way we could test was to send it to our client and > ask them to send back screenshots. ;) > > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Art Thompson <[email protected]>wrote: > >> One thing I should have mentioned in my earlier post is that the more >> established companies (ie: those who send out millions of emails a day) tend >> to have a positive reputation with the Postini/Bayesian/SpamAssasins of the >> world where a self-hosted solution may not. All mail servers use some form >> of email filtering and greylists are very common these days. If you do go >> with a self-hosted solution, I recommend being very diligent in avoiding any >> SPAM-like characteristics of your emails since they will be originating from >> an unqualified server address. >> >> Also, I hope everyone in this thread is familiar with and supportive of >> the Email Standards Project (www.email-standards.org). Their "State of >> the clients" list is just about the only reliable means of determining how >> to design and code for the broadest of email client compatibility, which is >> depressingly low at the moment. For example: Gmail and Outlook, arguably the >> two most widely used email clients, both rank "poor" in terms of the most >> basic CSS support. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Art Thompson, Jr. >> Logical Things - Web, Design & Marketing Solutions >> >> 917-609-1158 [m] >> 512-692-9865 [w] >> www.logicalthings.com >> linkedin.com/in/logicalthings >> twitter.com/logicalthings >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Paul <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> I don't have a need for email marketing myself. Though most every client >>> I work with uses some system for Newsletters/Email Marketing system which >>> collects signup and some regular email blast. Most use either Constant >>> Contact or Mail Build/Campaign Monitor. Both of these systems are tops. The >>> problem I have overall is the pricing doesn't scale well when you have many >>> thousands of registrations. >>> >>> One system I've started suggesting is a self-hosted system call Send >>> Studio. This has a very nice design interface. You purchase a license to >>> download and host the software yourself. And Send Studio was recently >>> acquired by Interspire. http://www.interspire.com/emailmarketer/ >>> >>> P- >>> >>> >>> On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:28 AM, Art Thompson wrote: >>> >>> Hi Keith, >>> >>> The ones I've used all seem to have similar list management features, >>> dealing with and reporting bounces, opt-outs, opt-ins, forwards, etc.. I >>> have a code snippet for an email sign-up form for Constant Contact. I'm sure >>> the others provide the same. Good luck with the final decision. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Art Thompson, Jr. >>> Logical Things - Design + Technology >>> 917-609-1158 [m] >>> 512-692-9865 [w] >>> www.logicalthings.com >>> linkedin.com/in/logicalthings >>> twitter.com/logicalthings >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Keith Aric Hall <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Art, all very good points. I am an experienced graphic >>>> designer/web developer. In fact, I used to build email campaigns and >>>> associated microsites in a previous job. But, I need a balance as some less >>>> skilled people will basically be building campaigns from the templates I >>>> generate. With this in mind, Mail Chimp and Emma seem promising. >>>> >>>> Whichever service I choose has to handle subscriptions and contacts, >>>> which I assume most of the recommended services do. >>>> >>>> kah >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Art Thompson >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm a long-time Constant Contact user. However, I would ask what your >>>>> skill level is in terms of designing and/or coding your emails, >>>>> newsletters, >>>>> etc. For me, Constant Contact made the most sense from a usability and >>>>> price >>>>> standpoint because I design and code everything myself as opposed to using >>>>> their wizard or templates and I also host my own images. A service like >>>>> Emma >>>>> seems better for folks who are more business/marketing than technical. >>>>> Stats >>>>> seem pretty consistent across most of the top dogs in the field, though I >>>>> recently sat through a presentation by the new Austin Emma reps and was >>>>> pretty impressed by their reporting. They have a different pricing model >>>>> than CC does though it may be a wash depending on your needs. >>>>> >>>>> Art Thompson, Jr. >>>>> Logical Things - Design + Technology >>>>> 917-609-1158 [m] >>>>> 512-692-9865 [w] >>>>> www.logicalthings.com >>>>> linkedin.com/in/logicalthings >>>>> twitter.com/logicalthings >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Felipe Recalde >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> *raises hand* mailchimp! I love the pricing, social media >>>>>> integration, and great analytic reports.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Felipe Recalde >>>>>> >>>>>> OFFICE (956) 943-3622 >>>>>> FAX (956) 943-2070 >>>>>> >>>>>> NO. 1 GOLF HOUSE RD. >>>>>> LAGUNA VISTA, TX 78578 >>>>>> WWW.SPIGOLF.COM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 11, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Chelsea Staires < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Survey Monkey <http://www.surveymonkey.com/> has worked well for us >>>>>> for very simple, straightforward surveys. We use Exact Target now which >>>>>> is >>>>>> more of a platform. Constant Contact and Emma are good entry-level >>>>>> choices. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Chelsea Staires >>>>>> Senior Communications Manager >>>>>> BuildASign.com >>>>>> 512-685-6816 (o) >>>>>> 512-685-6899 (f) >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> www.BuildASign.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Dan Brown <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you're a developer looking to manage campaigns for clients, I >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> highly recommend Campaign Monitor (http://www.campaignmonitor.com). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -db >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Robert Banh wrote: >>>>>>> > I think mailchimp is right up there... >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > http://www.mailchimp.com/ >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Warren Cardinal < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >> Emma looks interesting. And there is a new rep based in Austin >>>>>>> that would >>>>>>> >> probably give some one-on-one support. www.myemma.com >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Warren >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Diana Montalion Dupuis >>>>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>> Vertical Response. They are, I think, CC's closest competitor. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Diana >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Keith Aric Hall wrote: >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>>> I am looking at different email marketing services I thought I >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> >>>> ask what the crowd thinks. I know Constant Contact is popular, >>>>>>> but are >>>>>>> >>>> there other recommendations? 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