I must make a comment here...people that think that repeaters should 
be there and not used is asking for the band to be removed by the 
FCC, that will fix all of your peoblems....Then you can keep all of 
the repeaters for EMERGENCIES....Except for one thing there will be 
no one there to help you when you need HELP. HOW ever I think that a 
repeater that is not used is a waste of frequency pairs and should 
be de coordinated and taken off the air and the pair should be given 
to someone who will use it. I will stop short of having the owner 
tared and feathered. I have seen this thinking destroy a club.

If I need help, I will look for the busiest machine that I can find 
and make my call there.

73
Coy


--- In [email protected], Joe Montierth 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> --- "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Doesn't matter-in fact a repeater that's tied up all
> > day with chatter 
> > isn't available for emergency communications. Plus
> > the more time it 
> > spends keyed up, the less time till something fails.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jim Barbour
> > WD8CHL
> > 
> > 
> > Fred Flowers wrote:
> > 
> > > Yeah, but does anybody talk on all of them?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >>From: "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>Reply-To: [email protected]
> > >>To: [email protected]
> > >>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC considers
> > Auxiliary Operation on 2M!
> > >>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:01:15 -0400
> > >>
> > >>Joe Montierth wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>In many parts of the US the 2M band is
> > under-utilized,
> > >>>so I am not opposed to the idea, per-se. If
> > everyone
> > >>>used good common sense, there shouldn't be many
> > >>>problems, but I can see how people feel about
> > this
> > >>>based on their local conditions.
> > >>>
> > >>>Joe
> > >>>
> > >>>Joe
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>I'd sure like to know where you're gettin the idea
> > that 2M is
> > >>'underutilized'! Everywhere I've been (in the US),
> > there's plenty of
> > >>repeaters. Most areas there's too many!
> > >>
> > >>--
> > >>Jim Barbour
> > >>WD8CHL
> > >>
> 
> A couple of comments:
> 
> 1. If I had an emergency, I would go to the channel
> with the chatter on it, because that's where the
> people are, and thats where you'll get a response. It
> does no good to yell your brains out for help on a
> "quiet" channel, if no one's there to answer you.
> 
> Also, as far as an unused repeater being less subject
> to failure, this is just not true. A well designed
> repeater will not "wear out" do to heavy use, ask
> anyone on this board who runs a well designed system.
> They're not afraid of people using it, or seeing it
> keyed for hours at a time. If you had to have a
> message hand delivered to someone two miles away,
> would you give it to the "couch potato" or the
> marathon runner? The couch potato should be all rested
> and ready to run that 2 miles, and the marathon man
> should be too worn out from his miles of practice in
> the last few weeks. But reality tells us it's no sweat
> for one of them, and a major challenge for the other.
> 
> 2. One area where 2M is underutilized is here where I
> live. I can hit 3 2M repeaters with a handheld, and
> maybe 10 more with a good base. This is typical
> throughout our county and neighboring counties. Our
> county is the size of Connecticut. This is very
> typical of the rural western states.
> 
> 3. Repeaters aren't all there are on 2M. With the
> normal bandplans being used today, there are at least
> 45 channels available for simplex use, exclusive of
> any repeater input or output. Even if half these
> channels were being used in any given area, that would
> still mean over 20 vacant channels for new usage. In
> most areas, over 90% of the simplex channels are
> vacant 90% of the time.
> 
> 4. In reality, the 2M repeater output channels that
> were out of range from a certain location could be
> used by aux type systems, with no interference caused
> or received. The use of PL and/or DTMF or other codes
> could further reduce this.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
>       
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