Pretty much what we were trying to blow down Pac-Bell's lines 
in the heyday of tone and dry pairs. The problem was how 
excessive distances would not perform 100% in critical services 
even though the telco lines were "in spec". 

Tone Remote lines are where I learned about/how the original 
analog (silver box) Motorola Tone Decoders (with lumped LC 
circuits) would easily out perform the Vega solid state (using 
op amps). A clearly demonstrated example of how active circuits 
were not an improvement over the original lumped analog design. 

One unforgiving telephone line into a lower spec or dynamic 
range tone decoder is enough to make a system problematic... 
ie the customer not happy or angry. 

cheers,
skipp 

> Dan Blasberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Most of the radio circuits that i remotely test and we (Verizon) 
> engineer are 0, -16 circuits, meaning that the from the telecom 
> interface we are looking for a 0db signal on the transmit side, and 
> when it gets to the other end at the interface card at the station the 
> signal will be -16 db.
> 
> Dan
> 
> KA8YPY
> 
> On Apr 26, 2007, at 10:40 PM, allan crites wrote:
> 
> > Tim,
> > The AT&T spec for line loss from the sending end to the central
office 
> > is 9 +- 1 dB and from the central office to the receiving end is 9 +- 
> > 1 dB. So your total loss will be 18 +- 2 dB.
> > I need to find my tone remote manual to get the answers to your other 
> > questions.
> > WA9ZZU
> >
> > "Steve Bosshard (NU5D)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I believe 16 db would be terribly excessive loss for a line -
maybe 6 
> >> db tops.  I usually set -10 dbm @ 1000 hz for +/- 3 khz deviation. 
> >> ).  0 dBm for max deviation. and let the tone levels fall into place 
> >> as you have indicated.  If the line measures 6 db of loss @ 1000 hz, 
> >> you may want to move the hold tone from -20 dBm to -17 or -14 dBm
and 
> >> the remainder accordingly.  Also loss may vary with tone frequency, 
> >> so loss at 1000 hz may be far different from loss at 2175 hz.  Best 
> >> luck,  Steve NU5D
> >>
> >> On 4/26/07, tim_shephard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm working 
> >> with a GE repeater, Master II.  Its tone remoted.  It is
> >>> setup and working, but I'd like to know how to set the tone remote
> >>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Ham Radio Spoken Here.....NU5D
> >> Nickel Under Five Dollars
> >
> >
>


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