As with many Mot rig software and programming software some have "hacked" it to 
change thing like making rigs go into the Ham bands when Mot would not (must 
state this is often because the rigs were not type accepted for these out of 
band ops and I personally do not like using equipment not intended for such, 
but sometimes is the only way).

What is the CPU in the MSF5000 controller???  I would think a Mot, but may have 
a in house number on it.  Mot's CPUs usually started with a 6 such as 6800 
(very old, but still good 8 bitter), 68701 with internal EPROM/RAM, etc.  If 
known might be able to hack to change some of these parameters.  These 
parameters still might be in code plug, just not changable by Mot programming 
box.  I'd do it this way...makes changes for the engineers easier...never know 
where some of these things are going.

I know here we do not wish to give out Mot or other software so hope not 
violating a board policy here.

73, ron, n9ee/r




>From: "Bob M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2007/11/27 Tue AM 08:15:35 CST
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 "Green" TEE Cable

>                  
>These are the only parameter areas/values that can be
>programmed via the R1800/1801 suitcase programmer for
>the MSF5000:
>
>1) Number of Channels  10) Auto ID Call Signs
>2) RF Frequency Info   11) Alarm Tones Routing
>3) Coded Squelch Info  12) DC Remote Currents
>4) P-T-T Timeout Timer 13) MUXBUS Power-Up
>5) Repeater Drop-Out Delay     14) Spectra-TAC Info
>6) P-T-T Priority Info 15) MCS Station Info
>7) Repeater Control    16) RA Station Info
>8) Receiver Control    17) Wire Line Duplex
>9) TX Audio / Data Mixing      
>
>Obviously the CW ID callsign is programmable, but the
>tone frequency, speed, and ID period are fixed values
>inside the program EPROM, not the code plug EPROM.
>
>With the RSS-programmed stations, you get to choose
>the callsign, the tone frequency, the CW ID speed, the
>ID period, holdoff time, etc.
>
>Bob M.
>======
>--- Jay Urish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I seem to recall that the suitcase programmer
>> allowed me to set id time 
>> at 10min.
>> 
>> Content is also adjustable..How else would you put
>> your callsign in?
>> 
>> Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > The stock MSF brain was designed for commercial
>> use and runs the IDer
>> > every 15 minutes. If that parameter was changeable
>> the unit would be legal
>> > under the amateur rules only as long as you had a
>> way to remotely shut it
>> > off (maybe a digital output from the controller on
>> another repeater at the
>> > same site?).
>> > 
>> > The MSF brain is also very inflexible - you can't
>> change the IDer content,
>> > tone frequency, etc.
>> > For example, one local repeater announces the AC
>> power failure by speaking
>> > "Main Power Fail" when the AC goes away, tags a
>> "BATT" to the end of the
>> > regular IDer, and shortens the normal carrier
>> delay (hang-in timer)
>> > from 2 seconds
>> > to 1 second.
>> > 
>> > Personally, I'd set up the MSF as a full duplex
>> continuous duty base
>> > station with no internal IDer and interface an
>> Arcom, NHRC, S-com,
>> > CAT or a RLC into the unit and let it handle the
>> control, repeat audio,
>> > IDer, etc (just like it was designed to).
>> > 
>> > Everybody has a controller they love, and in some
>> people it's a topic
>> > that gets as passionate as religion. Some people
>> like Link (RLC),
>> > others like Arcom, Scom, NHRC or ACC, others
>> homebrew theirs.
>> > Others buy one and then rewrite the firmware (like
>> on a Palomar
>> > Telcom).
>> > 
>> > I think my next purchase is going to be an ICS
>> "Linker" controller
>> > (surprisingly cheap for what you get) and do some
>> experimenting
>> > with it. Everyone I've talked to love them, one
>> guy I know has bought
>> > five, and I'd like to get some hands-on experience
>> with them. I've used
>> > a repeater that has one in it (a GE M2) and the
>> audio sounds
>> > absolutely great (if the carrier delay and IDer
>> wasn't there you'd think
>> > it was simplex).
>> > 
>> > Mike WA6ILQ.
>> > 
>> > At 08:05 PM 11/26/07, you wrote:
>> >  >What do you need a cwid circuit for?
>> >  >
>> >  >Charles Mumphrey Kc5ozh wrote:
>> >  > >
>> >  > >
>> >  > > Rod!
>> >  > > It has arrived!!!
>> >  > > I will take some physical measurements and
>> post to the group. I still
>> >  > > have to get the eproms programmed, filters
>> tuned, and figure out a 
>> > CW ID
>> >  > > circuit for my call every TEN minutes during
>> useage. "Piece of Cake!"
>> >  > > Everything else is functioning, hopefully on
>> the air by the first week
>> >  > > in January! I will advise when I get this
>> machine online.
>> >  > > Thank You Rod, again, for all your support.
>> Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. also 
>> > send
>> >  > > their Thanks.
>> >  > > '73 Charlie Kc5ozh
>> >  > >
>> >  > > "It is not the class of license the Amateur
>> holds, but the class of the
>> >  > > Amateur that holds the license."
>> >  > >
>> >  > > Charles Mumphrey
>> >  > > Amateur Radio Station Kc5ozh
>> >  > > Repeater System:
>> >  > > Rowlett Main: 441.325 MHz + 162.2
>> >  > > Dallas: 441.950 MHz + 162.2
>> >  > > Rowlett II: 441.950 MHz + 110.9
>> >  > > Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. Unit 823
>> >  > > http://www.CharliesElectronics.com 
>> > <http://www.CharliesElectronics.com>
>> <http://www.CharliesElectronics.com 
>> > <http://www.CharliesElectronics.com>>
>> >  > >
>> >  > > > -------- Original Message --------
>> >  > > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed:
>> MSF-5000 "Green" TEE Cable
>> >  > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:rrath%40charter.net> 
>> > <mailto:rrath%40charter.net>
>> >  > > > Date: Wed, November 14, 2007 11:36 pm
>> >  > > > To: [email protected] 
>> > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>
>> >  > > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>
>> >  > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:rrath%40charter.net> 
>> > <mailto:rrath%40charter.net>
>> >  > > > > Hello to the Group!
>> >  > > > > I have seen this subject come up many
>> times here on our list. Now,
>> >  > > > > looks like I am in need also! I have
>> acquired an analog
>> >  > MSF-5000 with a
>> >  > > > > missing TEE Cable. I plan on using one
>> antenna for this 
>> > repeater, and
>> >  > > > > hook back original to the internal
>> filter/duplexer and 
>> > receiver. I was
>> >  > > > > wondering if anyone has had efficient
>> results with making a
>> >  > replacement
>> >  > > > > Combining TLE5732A TEE Cable, instead of
>> paying Mama Mo the 
>> > suggested
>> >  > > > > retail 214 dollars for one of the 16,
>> NOS, they have left.
>> >  > > > Let me look in my stuff, I think I saw one
>> the other day. I will get
>> >  > > back with
>> >  > > > you tomorrow. If I do have one its yours.
>> >  > > > Rod kc7vqr
>
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