Bob, Yes most cannot do this or at least do not have the tools, but some do.
A 6803 debugger would convert the op code to at least mnemonics and source code although labels and variables would not be identified. It would take some work to see what is going on, but is doable. A typical programmer would recognize for the most part what is going on. Also if some of the data is read often one can determine what it is knowing what the control does. Such as knowing the ID timer is 15 minutes would be a clue. It could be useful for some. 73, ron, n9ee/r >From: "Bob M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2007/11/27 Tue AM 10:28:52 CST >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 "Green" TEE Cable > >The analog MSF5000s used MC6803 microprocessors in >just about everything: the station itself, the tone >remote control card, the MCS unit, etc. > >Yes, you probably can wade through 8kbytes of program >space plus 4kbytes of code plug space and find the >data that controls the CW ID speed etc. More power to >ya. You can also hack the computer in your car to keep >it from shifting out of first gear until you reach 99 >miles per hour. Very few people have access to the >source code for these systems, much less the ability >to make such changes, so all the rest of us can do is >live with what we have and work around it. > >Bob M. >====== >--- Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> As with many Mot rig software and programming >> software some have "hacked" it to change thing like >> making rigs go into the Ham bands when Mot would not >> (must state this is often because the rigs were not >> type accepted for these out of band ops and I >> personally do not like using equipment not intended >> for such, but sometimes is the only way). >> >> What is the CPU in the MSF5000 controller??? I >> would think a Mot, but may have a in house number on >> it. Mot's CPUs usually started with a 6 such as >> 6800 (very old, but still good 8 bitter), 68701 with >> internal EPROM/RAM, etc. If known might be able to >> hack to change some of these parameters. These >> parameters still might be in code plug, just not >> changable by Mot programming box. I'd do it this >> way...makes changes for the engineers easier...never >> know where some of these things are going. >> >> I know here we do not wish to give out Mot or other >> software so hope not violating a board policy here. >> >> 73, ron, n9ee/r >> >> >> >> >> >From: "Bob M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Date: 2007/11/27 Tue AM 08:15:35 CST >> >To: [email protected] >> >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 >> "Green" TEE Cable >> >> > >> >These are the only parameter areas/values that can >> be >> >programmed via the R1800/1801 suitcase programmer >> for >> >the MSF5000: >> > >> >1) Number of Channels 10) Auto ID Call Signs >> >2) RF Frequency Info 11) Alarm Tones Routing >> >3) Coded Squelch Info 12) DC Remote Currents >> >4) P-T-T Timeout Timer 13) MUXBUS Power-Up >> >5) Repeater Drop-Out Delay 14) Spectra-TAC Info >> >6) P-T-T Priority Info 15) MCS Station Info >> >7) Repeater Control 16) RA Station Info >> >8) Receiver Control 17) Wire Line Duplex >> >9) TX Audio / Data Mixing >> > >> >Obviously the CW ID callsign is programmable, but >> the >> >tone frequency, speed, and ID period are fixed >> values >> >inside the program EPROM, not the code plug EPROM. >> > >> >With the RSS-programmed stations, you get to choose >> >the callsign, the tone frequency, the CW ID speed, >> the >> >ID period, holdoff time, etc. >> > >> >Bob M. >> >====== >> >--- Jay Urish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >> I seem to recall that the suitcase programmer >> >> allowed me to set id time >> >> at 10min. >> >> >> >> Content is also adjustable..How else would you >> put >> >> your callsign in? >> >> >> >> Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The stock MSF brain was designed for commercial >> >> use and runs the IDer >> >> > every 15 minutes. If that parameter was >> changeable >> >> the unit would be legal >> >> > under the amateur rules only as long as you had >> a >> >> way to remotely shut it >> >> > off (maybe a digital output from the controller >> on >> >> another repeater at the >> >> > same site?). >> >> > >> >> > The MSF brain is also very inflexible - you >> can't >> >> change the IDer content, >> >> > tone frequency, etc. >> >> > For example, one local repeater announces the >> AC >> >> power failure by speaking >> >> > "Main Power Fail" when the AC goes away, tags a >> >> "BATT" to the end of the >> >> > regular IDer, and shortens the normal carrier >> >> delay (hang-in timer) >> >> > from 2 seconds >> >> > to 1 second. >> >> > >> >> > Personally, I'd set up the MSF as a full duplex >> >> continuous duty base >> >> > station with no internal IDer and interface an >> >> Arcom, NHRC, S-com, >> >> > CAT or a RLC into the unit and let it handle >> the >> >> control, repeat audio, >> >> > IDer, etc (just like it was designed to). >> >> > >> >> > Everybody has a controller they love, and in >> some >> >> people it's a topic >> >> > that gets as passionate as religion. Some >> people >> >> like Link (RLC), >> >> > others like Arcom, Scom, NHRC or ACC, others >> >> homebrew theirs. >> >> > Others buy one and then rewrite the firmware >> (like >> >> on a Palomar >> >> > Telcom). >> >> > >> >> > I think my next purchase is going to be an ICS >> >> "Linker" controller >> >> > (surprisingly cheap for what you get) and do >> some >> >> experimenting >> >> > with it. Everyone I've talked to love them, one >> >> guy I know has bought >> >> > five, and I'd like to get some hands-on >> experience >> >> with them. I've used >> >> > a repeater that has one in it (a GE M2) and the >> >> audio sounds >> >> > absolutely great (if the carrier delay and IDer >> >> wasn't there you'd think >> >> > it was simplex). >> >> > >> >> > Mike WA6ILQ. >> >> > >> >> > At 08:05 PM 11/26/07, you wrote: >> >> > >What do you need a cwid circuit for? >> >> > > >> >> > >Charles Mumphrey Kc5ozh wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Rod! >> >> > > > It has arrived!!! >> >> > > > I will take some physical measurements and >> >> post to the group. I still >> >> > > > have to get the eproms programmed, filters >> >> tuned, and figure out a >> >> > CW ID >> >> > > > circuit for my call every TEN minutes >> during >> >> useage. "Piece of Cake!" >> >> > > > Everything else is functioning, hopefully >> on >> >> the air by the first week >> >> > > > in January! I will advise when I get this >> >> machine online. >> >> > > > Thank You Rod, again, for all your >> support. >> >> Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. also >> >> > send >> >> > > > their Thanks. >> >> > > > '73 Charlie Kc5ozh >> >> > > > >> >> > > > "It is not the class of license the >> Amateur >> >> holds, but the class of the >> >> > > > Amateur that holds the license." >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Charles Mumphrey >> >> > > > Amateur Radio Station Kc5ozh >> >> > > > Repeater System: >> >> > > > Rowlett Main: 441.325 MHz + 162.2 >> >> > > > Dallas: 441.950 MHz + 162.2 >> >> > > > Rowlett II: 441.950 MHz + 110.9 >> >> > > > Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. Unit 823 >> >> > > > http://www.CharliesElectronics.com >> >> > <http://www.CharliesElectronics.com> >> >> <http://www.CharliesElectronics.com >> >> > <http://www.CharliesElectronics.com>> >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > -------- Original Message -------- >> >> > > > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: >> >> MSF-5000 "Green" TEE Cable >> >> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> <mailto:rrath%40charter.net> >> >> > <mailto:rrath%40charter.net> >> >> > > > > Date: Wed, November 14, 2007 11:36 pm >> >> > > > > To: [email protected] >> >> > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >> >> > > > >> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >> >> > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> <mailto:rrath%40charter.net> >> >> > <mailto:rrath%40charter.net> >> >> > > > > > Hello to the Group! >> >> > > > > > I have seen this subject come up many >> >> times here on our list. Now, >> >> > > > > > looks like I am in need also! I have >> >> acquired an analog >> >> > > MSF-5000 with a >> >> > > > > > missing TEE Cable. I plan on using one >> >> antenna for this >> >> > repeater, and >> >> > > > > > hook back original to the internal >> >> filter/duplexer and >> >> > receiver. I was >> >> > > > > > wondering if anyone has had efficient >> >> results with making a >> >> > > replacement >> >> > > > > > Combining TLE5732A TEE Cable, instead >> of >> >> paying Mama Mo the >> >> > suggested >> >> > > > > > retail 214 dollars for one of the 16, >> >> NOS, they have left. >> >> > > > > Let me look in my stuff, I think I saw >> one >> >> the other day. I will get >> >> > > > back with >> >> > > > > you tomorrow. If I do have one its >> yours. >> >> > > > > Rod kc7vqr > >__________________________________________________________ >Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. >Make Yahoo! your homepage. >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
