On May 9, 2008, at 5:47 PM, Nate Duehr wrote:

> Dan Blasberg wrote:
>
>> No, P25 decoder is built into the radio itself, much like the ICOM
>> radios.
>
> Not 100% true.  Raytheon JDS will hook an external P25 encoder/decoder
> to your existing repeater.  You ship them the repeater and $10K, and
> they'll ship it back when they're done.

Forgot about the Raytheon piece of kit, thanks Nate.
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>> And no one has come out with a "dongle" for P25 probably due
>> to the expense of the codec from DVSI for IMBE.  That may change for
>> phase 2 P25 which will be using an AMBE codec from DVSI.  The  
>> question
>> is, is it the same AMBE codec used for D-Star and if so, can someone
>> write the firmware into a dongle to add both P25 and D-Star to the
>> same radio.  If that were to happen that would be pretty kick.
>
> AMBE is AMBE.  The framing/encapsulation of that AMBE in a P25 or D- 
> Star
> overall bitstream is completely different, but if you can figure out  
> how
> to copy the frames, you can extract the AMBE bits and shove them  
> through
> DVSI's CODEC to get audio, and vice-versa.

Not according to DVSI, they have several flavors of AMBE (AMBE-300,  
AMBE-2000, AMBE-2020, AMBE-20x0-HDK, AMBE-1000) and not all of them  
are AMBE+2 compatible, so AMBE is not AMBE especially when talking  
AMBE and AMBE+2.

If they use the same compression scheme and chipset then a dongle  
shouldn't be a problem, if they use different chipsets and schemes  
then I guess the question is how hard would it be to come with a  
Dongle for P25, since one already exists for D-Star?

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>
> DVSI sells a chipset that's roughly $25 each in small quantity to  
> handle
> the AMBE CODEC part of the job.
>
> Nate WY0X
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