On May 11, 2008, at 9:40 PM, wd8chl wrote:

> Ron Wright wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> I tend to agree more spectrum is not needed on 2 meters just to
>> accommodate D-Star or any other mode, digital or analog.  Many analog
>> boys are also starving for space for their repeaters.
>>
>> D-Star does look for the proper D-Star format to "unsquelch" as one
>> might say.  It does not simply turn on with signal like many analog
>> rigs do.  The repeaters and rigs do this.
>
> Right. I'm looking at provisions to monitor the frequency for NON D*
> activity before transmitting. Most P25 radios can be set up in
> "dual-mode" where it will also respond to analog FM with or without a
> CTCSS/DCS code, as programmed. D* should have that, or a commercial- 
> type
> hangup clip arrangement, or a busy-lockout that keeps the radio from
> transmitting if there is other activity...or the choice to program one
> of the above.


If the D-STAR repeater is receiving a signal, it's going to be sending  
serial data up from itself through the serial cable to the  
controller.  I haven't (and probably won't) looked at that data on the  
serial cable (unless I buy my own D-STAR repeater... I don't feel good  
hacking on the club system like that) but I hear some folks in  
California have.  It would be an indication of whether or not there's  
*receivable* D-STAR signal on any module.


>> This is why, as you very well know, we use CTCSS...to unsquelch the
>> rcvr when the proper tone rcv'd.
>>
>> The petition to the FCC was an attempt to gain more repeater pairs
>> mainly for D-Star.  I am sure the petitioners would have wanted the
>> expansion to go for digital only.  I am sure the FCC saw thru this.
>
> Yeah...nope-they're just gonna have to live alongside the rest of us
> that can't spend $1000 on a radio...|cP

The repeaters are far over $1000 for the band module and the  
controller, but the user radios (other than the ID-1) are all quite a  
bit below $1000, unless you have your heart set on the IC-2820.

You can buy TWO IC-800H's for just over the price of the signal 2820  
with D-STAR/GPS board (the D-STAR board is included in the price of  
the IC-800H) and have true dual-digital receive.  Just stack 'em.  :-)

The comment makes it sounds like USERS can't get into D-STAR for less  
than $1000, which just isn't true.  And the rigs will do analog too,  
so they're still quite usable for other purposes, generally.

The Kenwood D-710 with all the APRS features costs a LOT more than an  
IC-800H, and all Gateway-equipped D-STAR systems should have the DPRS/ 
APRS gateway software installed by default these days, or the Gateway  
admin can add it with three commands and answering a few simple  
questions on-screen... so... a cheap $60 GPS plugged into the ID-800H  
will handle the "APRS-like" chores... kinda.  It's different, but it's  
a "reasonable" comparison.

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
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