On Thu, 15 May 2008, KF4TNP wrote:
> D STAR DOES NOT NEED ITS OWN PLAN if all communication are done 
> correctly and thing thought out . There is plenty of room if people 
> would work together but too many are stuck on OLD

I would be inclined to agree with you, however most existing repeater 
owners are not likely to give up a repeater location, or coordination. 
Additionally, there are locations where it does not make simple sense to 
sacrafice a repeater location for the purposes of securing a digital 
mode.
  
> When I program up the radio I have all the fail soft and , and control 
> channels etc etc are programmed into the radios So if the system 
> fails. And it ends up in failsoft then one trunk channel is now for 
> the police , one for fire, etc etc etc.

> Of course it is all how you plan the system before you deploy it . 
> Brent

Ah, another of our land-mobile guys speaks up. Brent, in your experience 
of commercial trunking radio, and analyzing the D-star protocol 
documents, wouldn't you agree that a common channel, similar to the APRS 
frequency, is needed for D-star to be truly effective? 

You do make a succinct point about the nature of systems planning, 
however one must remember that this is "amateur" radio, and not all 
amateurs have experience with trunking radio, or intend to build a large 
system. Much as those in the data and computer networking worlds have 
learned (and often the hard way), it takes a lot of work and learning 
and making the wrong decision a few times to discover the most reliable 
and the most effective way to solve a problem. 

> Also correct me if I am wrong there is no way to turn off the dstar 
> system as in remote control? Maybe on the newer systems there might 
> be. I have also not heard a good sounding D system yet. Just my opnion

I am not familiar with the ICOM products enough to be able to answer 
that question -- I would think it unwise to throw that into the 
conversation without having a supporting reason. I will relate this: I 
have seen numerous commercial stations and repeaters that did not 
implement a remote control facility for allowing a control operator to 
shut the repeater down. 

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. 
                --rly

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