So what's the answer: 1. Try to make room elsewhere for D*
or 2. Encourage Icom to make dual mode repeaters so those with analog systems can simply swap them out and support both modes. I would try for the latter in the spirit of cooperation and upgrade ease on the part of the users. Once again, there is a perfectly reasonable solution staring trustees in the face if only Icom would support it. If D* takes off, or all the users make the transition, the analog side can be disabled and the spectrum benefits can be realized. People have to learn that sometimes a wholesale change is not the best for the service. This is ham radio - you can't expect everyone to bend over backwards for every new mode that comes along, and you can't expect more spectrum just because you have a new mode. You have to make it easy for people to transition. Joe M. KF4TNP wrote: > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kris Kirby > *Sent:* Friday, May 16, 2008 2:59 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] DSTAR / DIGITAL / FCC Denies Petition > to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital > > > > On Thu, 15 May 2008, KF4TNP wrote: >> D STAR DOES NOT NEED ITS OWN PLAN if all communication are done >> correctly and thing thought out . There is plenty of room if people >> would work together but too many are stuck on OLD > > I would be inclined to agree with you, however most existing repeater > owners are not likely to give up a repeater location, or coordination. > Additionally, there are locations where it does not make simple sense to > sacrafice a repeater location for the purposes of securing a digital > mode. > > OK I agree > > > >> When I program up the radio I have all the fail soft and , and control >> channels etc etc are programmed into the radios So if the system >> fails. And it ends up in failsoft then one trunk channel is now for >> the police , one for fire, etc etc etc. > >> Of course it is all how you plan the system before you deploy it . >> Brent > > Ah, another of our land-mobile guys speaks up. Brent, in your experience > of commercial trunking radio, and analyzing the D-star protocol > documents, wouldn't you agree that a common channel, similar to the APRS > frequency, is needed for D-star to be truly effective? > > Now if you look at it that way. I would say I would give that a try, it > would be interesting > > > You do make a succinct point about the nature of systems planning, > however one must remember that this is "amateur" radio, and not all > amateurs have experience with trunking radio, or intend to build a large > system. Much as those in the data and computer networking worlds have > learned (and often the hard way), it takes a lot of work and learning > and making the wrong decision a few times to discover the most reliable > and the most effective way to solve a problem. > True > > >> Also correct me if I am wrong there is no way to turn off the dstar >> system as in remote control? Maybe on the newer systems there might >> be. I have also not heard a good sounding D system yet. Just my opnion > > I am not familiar with the ICOM products enough to be able to answer > that question -- I would think it unwise to throw that into the > conversation without having a supporting reason. I will relate this: I > have seen numerous commercial stations and repeaters that did not > implement a remote control facility for allowing a control operator to > shut the repeater down. > Guilty, I have one at this time that I can not shut off. Well I can shut > the whole site off > > That would not be nice. > > Kris , you make great points as describe above > > Where do you get the superpowers J- > Kris Kirby, KE4AHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:kris%40catonic.us>> > But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. > --rly > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1433 - Release Date: 5/14/2008 > 4:44 PM
