Only 10 dB in SoCal?.  You're pretty lucky there Bob.  It averages 
much higher around here. It's amazing how bad this issue is.  

The major radio companies like Motorola have found this out in 
recent years.  Several large statewide VHF digital trunked systems 
have been deployed such as Virginia STARS, Wyolink and the State of 
South Dakota.  In each of these systems serious consideration had to 
be given to the degradation of system coverage that results from 
site noise.  

In TIA TSB-88-B the values given for environmental noise at VHF 
range from 11.6 to 17.7 dB above kTB depending on the location and 
LULC category [rural to major metro, tables 7&8 pg. 44&45]

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--- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

" ...except if your repeater is in SoCal, where the antenna noise 
temperature on 2 meters is about 10 dB above kTB, so throwing away a 
couple of dB between the antenna & RX isn't going to hurt you."


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