Thanks Nate.

I'm not running a node or anything as of yet... More like researching my
options for linking and so forth for the future.  

Right now, I'm trying to bring two remote RX sites to a comparator for a
three-RX site system.  My problem is, I have been waiting nearly TWO YEARS
for the county to get their microwave backbone online - so I can have two
E+M lines for my remote sites.  (The county is gracious enough to give me
space at their tower AND provide the repeater equipment, so beggars can't be
choosers...)  The problem is nobody at the county seems to know how to
program the MainStreet equipment that is interfaced into their RF microwave.
Rather than pull more of my hair out, I am investigating "other avenues"...
and I know that T-1 lines are cost prohibitive.  (Plus, there is no Telco
service to the tower site.)  There is, however, Internet service via a
Canopy system...

I'm hoping a friend I have can program the MainStreet ends for me, but
getting him away from his employer long enough to do this is my latest
problem to resolve...  

Ah, repeaters.  <sigh>

Mark - N9WYS

-----Original Message-----
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:45 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Split site link via IP

I've done IRLP over a couple of different types of satellite connections
(and as an "official" tech support volunteer, I must add that IRLP "doesn't
recommend" this).  It works.

Latency never really seemed to be all that bad.  We listened to it, and
yeah... our voice into the rig was ahead of the other side coming out on a
land-line based node, but it was possible to communicate just fine.

The bigger problem seems to be packet loss.  Sometimes words would get
dropped, even with IRLP's relatively new buffers that were put in place not
too long back (relatively... I've been doing IRLP now for almost 10 years?).

But in-between those dropouts, everything's fine.  Switching to a lower
CODEC for the node to node connection, (GSM, roughly 12 Kb/S) or using a GSM
channel on a Reflector if multiple nodes are participating in some event,
helps sometimes.

I could get the owner of one of these systems to call you on your local IRLP
node, if you want to hear it.  He could also describe who's satellite
service he's using.  Some node owners on the IRLP mailing list a while back
reported good luck with WildBlue, haven't heard that much good about
StarBand or DirectTV's offering... and of course, Hughes dedicated service
($$$) also works fine.

This is all kinda "water under the bridge" to me -- I'm more interested in
finding out if Icom's D-STAR Gateways can successfully operate (they're much
more latency sensitive than IRLP or anything that's just an audio stream) on
a satellite link.  Don't have all the "stuff" here I'd need to test it and
find out, though!  To buy an extra repeater, controller, and gateway just
for a test isn't in the cards. (GRIN)

Nate WY0X

-----Original Message-----
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:56 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Split site link via IP

Mike, 

I'm curious regarding latency issues, especially if using VoIP for
connections like IRLP or remote voice links.  Did you experience them when
on satellite, or was it a "non-issue" in your experience?

And I assume your connections losses while on the bird were due to "rain
fade" or similar???

Mark - N9WYS



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