You have misread and misunderstood his comments. He attempted to direct 
comments to a more appropriate forum. This is a repeater builder forums while 
the web site that he sent you to is a local association that deals with TASMA 
and SCRRBA. This is not a national issue. Why should the rest of us have to 
read this stuff? It doesn't concern us. You complain that the discussion is 
here but then complain that he is trying to move it where it belongs? That 
doesn't really add up.

You SHOULD have gone to the web site to see what it was about before asking him 
what it was about. The address has been posted several times. Or you can go to 
a Google group started by someone else for unknown reasons. Clearly southern 
California hams have had enough of the BS of TASMA that they are now forming 
groups to vocalize the issues. THAT should concern you.

The point I read clearly is this: TASMA and specifically Bob Dengler are tap 
dancing. They have been asked to appear and justify their position. But for Mr. 
Dengler to state that he is unaware of a 70cm band plan when he has been a 
direct part of the absorbtion of SCRRBA and adopting by motion its current band 
plan speaks for itself. He has attended meetings and conference calls on this 
topic. I realize that he is helpful to this group, but that doesn't take away 
his responsibility to the perception that TASMA and SCRRBA need and 
intervention and are perceived as corrupt. Mr. Dengler chose not to answer in 
this forum but perhaps he'll take notice when he is served with one of several 
law suits that I am aware of.

I don't have a dog in this fight and can, I believe, read objectively. The 
bottom line is that if you don't want the discussion here then don't complain 
when a suggestion is made that it be taken elsewhere and an address given.

--- In [email protected], MCH <m...@...> wrote:
>
> Still, I fail to see how a national list is less effective than a local 
> list. Local lists are fine for local discussions, but cannot take the 
> place of a national list. Maybe SCAROA should host a RB list, too???
> 
> BTW, the "having gone to a website" comment and URL you made AFTER I 
> asked the question THEN berating me for not going to the website is 
> hardly fair or honest. I think I see who is really tapping here. You're 
> trying to take RB discussions away from the RB lists.
> 
> The RBC list is the official list for coordination discussions that 
> would otherwise be on THIS list - like it or not, that's the way it is. 
> There are also dozens if not hundreds of other local coordination lists, 
> so please don't try to promote one of them as being 'the' place for all 
> coordination discussions. There is an official list for such 
> discussions, and I posted it. If you don't like the lists Kevin runs, 
> there are unsubscription links on all of them.
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> raffertysec wrote:
> > Having gone to the web site you'd have found that it is the Southern 
> > California Amateur Repeater Owners Association :) Creating a subset list 
> > below this only spreads conversations here and there. http://scaroa.org has 
> > been around longer than the sublist or the new Google list. Please note 
> > that I didn't bring this issue here, but when I read a tap dance I had to 
> > reply.
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], MCH <mch@> wrote:
> >> The list is a subset of this list, and again, was created to keep 
> >> coordination discussions off this list. What is SCAROA anyway?
> >>
> >> Joe M.
> >>
> >> raffertysec wrote:
> >>> Why duplicate the efforts? SCAROA has long existed.
> >>>
> >>> --- In [email protected], MCH <mch@> wrote:
> >>>> The list owner created 
> >>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder-Coordination/> for 
> >>>> coordination issues related to building repeaters. This was done 
> >>>> specifically to keep coordination issues off *this* list.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe M.
> >>>>
> >>>> raffertysec wrote:
> >>>>> I will also disagree in that building a repeater involves coordination 
> >>>>> and this thread IS relevent to the ham in southern California.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- In [email protected], "Mike Mullarkey" <k7pfj@> 
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Guys,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I really don't care to hear about your issues with the coordinating 
> >>>>>> body and
> >>>>>> who likes or dis likes Shorty and his system, if you really know him 
> >>>>>> he is a
> >>>>>> very generous person. Let's be done with this. I would hope that Skip 
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> others would agree this thread is not about building repeaters or 
> >>>>>> trying to
> >>>>>> figure out how to build one. 
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No dis-respect, but you guys should keep the coordinating board 
> >>>>>> business to
> >>>>>> internal email. It does not look good when everyone all over the world 
> >>>>>> sees
> >>>>>> how the coordinating body acts like.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
> >>>>>
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