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Just a little note on this here posting, Daffy the Blue Whale: Guess what I found in alt.arabic.politics, posted by that revolting White Supremacist Phillip Kingry: > Who Are the Palestinians? > Yashiko Sagamori > 25 November 2002 > > http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=1614 > > A rebuttal: > > If you are so sure that - Palestine, the country, goes back through > most of recorded history- , I expect you to be able to answer a few > basic questions about that country of "Palestine": > And you never mentioned you'd filched it from that revolting Yashiko Sagamori? Unattributed postings - that's plagiarism. I thought for a brief moment that you had decided to play the game by some decent rules, asking intelligent questions, instead of making inflammatory and racist comments. Now I find all you've done is plagiarize - you let yourself down, Daffy the Blue Whale. You've got a lot of nerve. I don't know PNEWS' policy for plagiarism. Shalom l'kol Wesley Parish On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:16, you wrote: > ANNOUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml > > > As someone I respect highly said: "you have to keep shooting down FUD > whenever it appears". > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:08, you wrote: > <snip> > > > In a message dated 4/16/2004 7:26:46 AM Central Standard Time, > > <snip> > > > Actually, at least half of all Israelis are from Middle Eastern countries > > and their population is growing rapidly! (You can check the census > > records for yourself!) Their parents and grandparents were forced to > > leave their homes (and all their belongings) where they had lived for > > centuries when the Arab governments either made it too difficult for them > > to live there or actually evicted them en masse. > > True; but they were only evicted after the 14th of May, 1948, and sometimes > it took a year for the eviction to take effect. A clear case of revenge. > > > "The various efforts for peace between Israelis and Palestinians have > > overlooked an important factor concerning the Arab - Israeli Conflict. > > The displacement of 850.000 Jews from Arab countries, the loss of all > > their assets and property, and the hardships accompanying their migration > > and emigration to Israel, constitute an aspect of the Middle East refugee > > problem which has been neglected. As almost half of the Jewish citizens > > of Israel, together with their descendants, are from Arab countries, > > peace research and future peace efforts should take this important part > > of the history of the conflict into account, and to address it, in all > > its complex aspects." > > (http://www.hsje.org/forcedmigration.htm) > > I don't have any objection to that. > > > Another fact that you are ignoring is that the vast majority of > > "Palestinians" also came from Arab countries and have no relationship to > > Israel's land (including Judea, Samaria, and Gaza) prior to a generation > > or two at most! "Much of the Arab population in this area actually > > migrated into Israel and Judea and Samaria from the surrounding Arab > > countries in the past 100 years. The rebirth of Israel was accompanied by > > economic prosperity for the region. Arabs migrated to this area to find > > employment and enjoy the higher standard of living. In documents not more > > than hundred years, the area is described as a scarcely populated region. > > Jews by far were the majority in Jerusalem over the small Arab minority. > > Until the Oslo agreement the major source of income for Arab residents > > was employment in the Israeli sector. To this day, many Arabs try to > > migrate into Israel with various deceptions to become a citizen of > > Israel." > > (http://www.science.co.il/History-Palestine.asp) > > www.science.co.il are lying through their teeth. We've been over this so > many times it's not funny. When one gets down to the nitty-gritty, one > discovers that all this is based on a few, very old lies told by Zionists > to support their claim about "a land without people for a people without a > land". As such, I regard it as a libel. > > > There are also a great many Israelis who can trace their ancestries back > > for 10 or 15 generations of unbroken residence in their Homeland, > > especially those who live in Jerusalem. And, until the Arabs massacred > > the Jews of Hebron in 1929, and the British forced the survivors to leave > > (much like Sharon is contemplating now in Gaza and Judea/Samaria) the > > same was true for the Jews there. > > That's not a problem - one could also say the same about the Christian Arab > minority - that they've been there since the end of the Great Revolt - and > guess what! Some actually still speak Aramaic. So that's a major part of > the evidence on their part - or are you denying the place of Aramaic in the > Jerusalem-to-Babylon world of that time? > > > And, if you are so sure that "Palestine", the > > country, goes back through most of recorded history, I expect you to be > > able to answer a few basic questions about the country of Palestine. > > (Don't forget to include your sources.) When was it founded and by whom? > > What documents are available to verify this? > > Mandatory Palestine, drongo. That established a state called Palestine, > modelled after the Roman provinces of Iudaea, Samaria and Galilee - because > the League of Nations gentry who drew up the maps were nearly all > Christian, and couldn't imagine any other situation. > http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/palmanda.htm > > > What were its borders prior to 1947 when Israel was formed from the > > Palestine Mandate? > > Mandatory Palestine. > http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/palmanda.htm > > > Why are the "Palestinians" not claiming Jordan as their country since it > > was also formed from the Palestine Mandate and they actually received the > > vast majority of the land in the partition? > > Because that's isn't Palestine, you drongo. Use your head. If they > weren't in Trans-Jordan during the Mandatory period, then they're not > Jordanians unless they have been granted citizenship. Ask any Jordanian - > but I forgot, Dafna, you'd NEVER ask anyone anything. > > > What was its capital? What were its major cities? What constituted the > > basis of its economy? > > Jerusalem. Haifa. Nazareth. Etc. Horticulture, for the most part; trade > in citrus fruits and olives. > > > When were its oldest institutions of higher learning established? > > That depends on what you term "higher learning". If you include the > religious institutions attached to the various religious organizations, > then you're talking way, way back in time. > > > Where are the foreign embassies located? Which countries exchange > > ambassadors with Palestine? > > What was its form of government prior to the Palestine Mandate? > > The northen part was part of the Vilayet (province) of Beirut; the rest was > part of the Sanjak (autonomous region) of Jerusalem. > > > Who did the "Palestinians" trade with at any time prior to the past 50 > > years? > > Europeans; the rest of the Middle East. > > > Can you name at least one "Palestinian" president before Arafat (who > > is an Egyptian!)? > > Re: Yasser Arafat. Both his parents were born in Palestine, one in > Jerusalem, on in Gaza; under the citizenship law of jus sanguinis - > citizenship by descent - that makes Yasser Arafat a Palestinian. If you > doubt me, go ask your local friendly citizenship lawyer. > > > Was Palestine ever recognized as a separate country by any nation that > > was not Arab itself? What date did that recognition take place? > > Mandatory Palestine. > http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/palmanda.htm > > > What does getting a passport from the country of Palestine require? What > > did it require in the 1920's? In the 1850's? > > Since during the 1850s it was part and parcel of the Ottoman Empire, > getting a passport meant applying to the Ottoman authorities, same as in > Damascus, same as in Cairo, same as in Beirut ... the way getting a British > passport before the breakup of the British Empire meant approaching the > British authorities - which is how British travel documents were supplied > to the various Jewish migrants to Palestine. > > Modern day Palestinian passports - I don't know that they exist. But then > Israel never permitted Palestinians control over their own borders, in > direct violation of the relevant international law. > You don't really have much of a clue, do you, Dafna?!? > > > What are the cultural variations that differentiate Palestine from all > > other Arab countries and how did they develop over the centuries? > > What was the name of its currency prior to 1967? What is its currency > > today? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate > > exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, > > German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date. > > http://user.dtcc.edu/~berlin/palestin/palestin.htm > As it would've been tied to the British pound before the breakup and > collapse of the Mandate, it would've had the same exchange rate as that > unit of currency. > > > Since there is no such country today (otherwise, what are you supposedly > > fighting for?), what caused its demise and when did it occur? > > Deir Yassin. 9th April 1948. Premeditated ethnic cleansing. Jews who > became like the people they detested - and in many cases, couldn't stand > themselves. > > > And here is the least sarcastic question of all: If the people you > > mistakenly call "Palestinians" are anything but generic Arabs collected > > from all over -- or thrown out of -- the Arab world, if they really have > > a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, > > then why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered > > their devastating defeat in the Six Day War? > > Okay, let's see you answer this question, Dafna Yee. Ad hominem, but > that's your stock-in-trade, isn't it. You can hardly complain ... If Jews > are really a separate nation and not just a religion tied to an ethnic > identity, and have been such for the last twenty centuries, why did they > never try for anything other than local autonomy - the same as the Gypsies > always demanded for their travelling bands - in every land they migrated > to? If Jewish ethnic identity gives them the right of self-determination, > why did they wait twenty centuries to exercise it? > > > The truth should be obvious to everyone who wants to know it. The > > collective Arab countries have never abandoned their dream of destroying > > Israel; they still cherish it today. Having tried time and again to > > achieve their evil goal through military means and failing miserably -- > > losing more land every time -- they decided to fight Israel by proxy. > > I see. So, that land having been empty for about twenty centuries - in > spite of the general demographic rule that land remains vacant only while > there is no population to use it; ask your local friendly population > specialist, whether they're termed Demographers or Zoologists isn't > relevant - and therefore the Crusaders having killed a non-existent Jewish > and Muslim population in Jerusalem in sheer frustration at having beseiged > an empty city - in spite of the general rule that an empty city quickly > reverts to soil; ask your local friendly archaeologist - etc, etc, etc. > > Does anyone else get the feeling that trying to talk sense with Dafna Yee > is banging one's head against a brick wall? For recreational purposes? > > > For that purpose, > > they created a terrorist organization, cynically and deliberately called > > it "the Palestinian people" and installed it in Gaza, Judea, and Samaria. > > How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to > > unconditionally accept back the "West Bank" and Gaza, respectively? > > This identification of Palestinian with "terrorist" sickens me - it reminds > me of the Third Reich's identification of Jews with "communist > subversives". I only found out last decade that I had distant relatives in > Krakow - now they're obviously not there any longer. And in relation to > Ariel Sharon's decision to prevent food and medical supplies reaching Gaza, > it leaves me feeling sick. > > > The fact is, Arabs populating Gaza, Judea, and Samaria have much less > > claim to nationhood on that land than that Native tribe that successfully > > emerged in Connecticut with the purpose of starting a tax-exempt casino: > > at least that tribe had a constructive goal that motivated them. > > You know a lot about Palestinian motives. Since you never talk with any, > how do you know? Come on, give us your sources. > > And interesting you also dislike Native Americans. Well, well, well. > Wouldn't you know it! Norman G. Finkelstein in "Image and Reality of the > Israel-Palestine Conflict" goes into quite some detail about how Adolf > Hitler used the American extermination of the Native Americans, as part and > parcel of his justification: > "Hitler's biographers report that the Nazi leader's Lebensraum policy was > inspired by the conquest of North America. According to John Toland, > Hitler 'often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's > extermination - by starvation and uneven combat - of the red savages who > could not be tamed by captivity'. Joachim Fest observes that Hitler's > 'continental war of conquest' was modeled 'with explicit reference to the > United States'." Settlement, Not Conquest, pg 92, 1st ed. > > > The so-called > > "Palestinians" have only one motivation: the destruction of Israel, and, > > frankly, that is not sufficient to consider them a "nation" -- or > > anything else except what they really are: a terrorist organization with > > an excellent propaganda machine. In fact, there is only one way to > > achieve peace in the Middle East. All the Arab countries must > > acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as > > the losing side, should pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years > > of devastation they have visited on it. The most appropriate form of such > > reparations would be the removal of the PLO -- their terrorist front > > group -- from the land of Israel and accepting Israel's sovereignty over > > Gaza, Judea, and Samaria. Then the "Palestinians" could decide either to > > live in ISRAEL under Israeli laws > > Wow. Did I hear that? Palestinians finally allowed to live unmolested in > the land of their forefathers. There's just one point you forgot - won't > the Mossad get you for this, Dafna, since you've obviously accepted > something under the table from those [censored...] untermenschen the > "Palestinians", to say they have the right to live in Israel? And with > their population still growing ... ;) > > > or go to some other country and live under their laws. > > (Oh, I forgot. No Arab country will give the "Palestinians" citizenship! > > Did you ever wonder why?) And all the Israeli victims of "suicide > > bombings" should receive adequate compensation from the Arab countries > > who have financed the "Palestinians" for the past 40 years of their > > existence. That will mark the end of the "Palestinian people". You still > > have not proved that there was a beginning prior to 1964. > > Dafna Yee, director > > JWD - Jewish Watch Dog > > http://jwd-jewishwatchdog.home.comcast.net > > As always, the Bluewhale Watchdog has difficulties deciding whether to bark > or blow! Such are the joys of being a chimaera ;) > > Shalom l'kol uvrakha > -- > Wesley Parish > * * * > Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish > * * * > Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" > You ask, "What is the most important thing?" > Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." > I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people." > > --- > / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) > ===OO=====OO================================================= > http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters > http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World > http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal > http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal > ============================================================= > \_/ \_/ -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." 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