+1 for this proposal, for many of us (including me) the main issue is not the actual meeting fee but rather the travel and accommodation, and I can imagine it being the same for many WG chairs.
- Cynthia On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:16 PM Brian Nisbet <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, I think the WGs have to be allowed to choose their own Co-Chairs, > under whatever that method is (separate discussion) and if those Co-Chairs > abuse something like this, then we have to trust that it will be dealt with. > > Whether this is soft, such as a quiet conversation from peers or others, > or the WG raising it and de-selecting the Co-Chair, then so be it. > > Brian > > Brian Nisbet > Service Operations Manager > HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network > 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland > +35316609040 [email protected] www.heanet.ie > Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 > > ________________________________________ > From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday 4 June 2020 12:11 > To: Brian Nisbet; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ripe-list] RIPE Working Group Chair Financial Support call > for consensus by 15 June 2020 > > CAUTION[External]: This email originated from outside of the organisation. > Do not click on links or open the attachments unless you recognise the > sender and know the content is safe. > > > Brian > > So you think the WG's own mechanisms would be enough to police my concern? > > If so that works for me. > > Regards > > Michele, who is an incredible pessimist at times > > -- > Mr Michele Neylon > > Blacknight Solutions > > Hosting, Colocation & Domains > > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blacknight.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Cd972283ace464ecd72bd08d8087801ae%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637268658812322981&sdata=j2hneeLr3hUsHSxHLhHEb1bjEmz5fUokNEWnVsnQwmY%3D&reserved=0 > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblacknight.blog%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Cd972283ace464ecd72bd08d8087801ae%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637268658812322981&sdata=Kakl%2FX4tWtOFZs1kIwN87vU8jTUDEz%2FdUUye7ZDidms%3D&reserved=0 > / > > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fceo.hosting%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Cd972283ace464ecd72bd08d8087801ae%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637268658812322981&sdata=UkIGx5xQMYFxIwkNsQw70M1N2CH8wESGXmQfKuYfeuk%3D&reserved=0 > > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > > ------------------------------- > > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park, > Sleaty Road, Graiguecullen, Carlow, R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > > On 04/06/2020, 12:06, "Brian Nisbet" <[email protected]> wrote: > > All, > > Two things on this, both with my "Internet citizen and NCC Member" hat > firmly on. > > First off, I'm in favour of the change, I think this is very welcome. > > Secondly, I would be against this having any requirements other than > someone being a WG Co-Chair. While there is work to be done there, as HPH > discussed at RIPE80, tying it into this proposal would be wrong. The right > point to discuss things like participation etc. is when the Co-Chair is > being chosen. It would be awful if a WG chose someone and then a different > regulation said that they couldn't avail of this subsidy. > > Thanks, > > Brian > > Brian Nisbet > Service Operations Manager > HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network > 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland > +35316609040 [email protected] > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heanet.ie%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Cd972283ace464ecd72bd08d8087801ae%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637268658812322981&sdata=kwbLEG%2Byk409Y8%2BdOrc9j28l7%2FESb6zXFMi32SqTV2A%3D&reserved=0 > Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 > > ________________________________________ > From: ripe-list <[email protected]> on behalf of Michele > Neylon - Blacknight <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday 4 June 2020 11:56 > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ripe-list] RIPE Working Group Chair Financial Support > call for consensus by 15 June 2020 > > CAUTION[External]: This email originated from outside of the > organisation. Do not click on links or open the attachments unless you > recognise the sender and know the content is safe. > > I think this isn’t a bad idea, but my only concern would be how easy > it could be to abuse. > > The process for fellowships states that one of the criteria is “need > of financial assistance”, but how is that decided? > > I know this topic was brought up in the past and there were quite a > few people who were vocally opposed to it. > > Personally I’d agree that finances should not be a blocker if someone > was willing to step up and commit to chairing a WG > > I do, however, worry that some people could be tempted to use the > financial support as their only motivation for being a WG chair, which is > obviously the wrong way around. > > So maybe having something in the policy / process about the person > having some kind of track record? > > With the fellowship RIPE is looking for “fresh blood’ and it’s > completely appropriate that the barriers be set at a particular level. > > However in this instance it’s seeking to provide financial support to > existing community members, so setting some criteria around past > participation wouldn’t be inappropriate in my opinion. > > Regards > > Michele > > > -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting, Colocation & Domains > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blacknight.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Cd972283ace464ecd72bd08d8087801ae%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637268658812322981&sdata=j2hneeLr3hUsHSxHLhHEb1bjEmz5fUokNEWnVsnQwmY%3D&reserved=0 > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblacknight.blog%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Cd972283ace464ecd72bd08d8087801ae%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637268658812322981&sdata=Kakl%2FX4tWtOFZs1kIwN87vU8jTUDEz%2FdUUye7ZDidms%3D&reserved=0 > / > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fceo.hosting%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Cd972283ace464ecd72bd08d8087801ae%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637268658812322981&sdata=UkIGx5xQMYFxIwkNsQw70M1N2CH8wESGXmQfKuYfeuk%3D&reserved=0 > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park, > Sleaty Road, Graiguecullen, Carlow, R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > > From: ripe-list <[email protected]> on behalf of Hans Petter > Holen <[email protected]> > Reply to: Hans Petter Holen <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday 4 June 2020 at 11:08 > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ripe-list] RIPE Working Group Chair Financial Support call > for consensus by 15 June 2020 > > > To follow up on the proposal the community plenary at RIPE 80, to > provide financial support Working Group (WG) Chairs if needed, I would > like community input. > > The presentation can be seen at 7:45 into the video at > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fripe80.ripe.net%2Farchives%2Fvideo%2F383%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Cd972283ace464ecd72bd08d8087801ae%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637268658812322981&sdata=xIyjSYiGwMWAmRsNB3kUbQl5QMq8wVfVBIxf3Vz2F4Y%3D&reserved=0 > < > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fripe80.ripe.net%2Farchives%2Fvideo%2F383%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Cd972283ace464ecd72bd08d8087801ae%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637268658812322981&sdata=xIyjSYiGwMWAmRsNB3kUbQl5QMq8wVfVBIxf3Vz2F4Y%3D&reserved=0 > > > > In principle, all RIPE Meeting attendees, including RIPE WG Chairs, > Programme Committee members and presenters are expected to cover the costs > of participating in a RIPE Meeting. However, in exceptional cases, for > instance, if a WG would end up with no Chair during a meeting, a WG Chair > can ask the RIPE Chair to request financial assistance from the RIPE NCC. > This has mostly been limited to waiving the meeting fee, not for travel and > accommodation. > > The matter was discussed at RIPE NCC Executive Board meeting December > 2018 after it was brought to the attention of the RIPE NCC Executive Board > through one of its members. The board was positive to provide support also > for travel and accommodation if needed, and tasked the RIPE Chair trough > EB402 tasked to make a draft procedure. > > The proposal is modelled after the RIPE Fellowship program and can be > found at: > > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripe.net%2Fparticipate%2Fripe%2Fwg%2Fcc%2Fripe-working-group-chair-financial-support&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Cd972283ace464ecd72bd08d8087801ae%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637268658812332983&sdata=Ghhfow3fyTLS37x4VUymZ2W9dOYAzbvuZVFpu5HpvUA%3D&reserved=0 > < > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripe.net%2Fparticipate%2Fripe%2Fwg%2Fcc%2Fripe-working-group-chair-financial-support&data=02%7C01%7Cbrian.nisbet%40heanet.ie%7Cd972283ace464ecd72bd08d8087801ae%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637268658812332983&sdata=Ghhfow3fyTLS37x4VUymZ2W9dOYAzbvuZVFpu5HpvUA%3D&reserved=0 > > > > If there is consensus from the community on this I will do a formal > request to the RIPE NCC for such support. > > Hans Petter Holen > ad-interim RIPE Chair > > > >
