Hi Nick,
El 7/2/21 22:49, "Nick Hilliard" <[email protected]> escribió:
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list wrote on 07/02/2021 13:05:
> Briefly, in several situation I've written policy proposals, and the
> chairs of the WG, tried to convince me to not publish it, or actually
> decided not to publish it, or delayed it.
Jordi,
without prejudice to any of the proposals that you've submitted to
various working groups over the years, one of the jobs of a working
group chair is to make a call on whether or not a proposal is suitable
for their working group.
[Jordi] I mention that in my email. I agree that the chairs may decide that it
may be "out of the scope of the WG", but nothing else.
There are a lot of reasons for this, but the one of the generally
accepted responsibilities of any chair is to ensure functional
communication within a group and ensuring that the communication within
the group is relevant and on-topic. So, a chair is within their rights
to decline to take on a proposal if they feel it's unlikely to achieve
consensus, or if it's been discussed extensively already without
consensus, or if it contains - in their opinion - proposals which would
be highly unlikely to gain consensus, or if they feel that the proposal
was inappropriate or out of scope for their particular working group,
and so on.
[Jordi] I disagree here. By the fact that we are using consensus, it may happen
that a single person in the community (example of an extreme case) supports a
proposal, but *all the objections* to the proposal are invalid. For example, in
case of very technical and *demonstrated* issues and *demonstrated* solutions.
So, if the chairs disagree on accepting it, then it is impossible that
consensus "really works". Besides that, if we really want to have that, then we
can't use anymore "consensus" AND, we should have it clearly defined in the
PDP. The PDP right now doesn't ALLOW rejecting a proposal. In fact, unless I'm
missing it, as per today, the only RIR that has this chairs pre-decision of
acceptance in the PDP is ARIN and it is really a bit different, because it
works via the AC, etc.
In other words, regardless of whether or not it's stated explicitly in
the PDP, the WG chair has leeway to accept or reject a proposal, as they
see fit.
[Jordi] How come something not in the PDP is valid? Then tomorrow chairs can
decide that something else "not in the PDP" is what they want to do! Irrational.
If a RIPE WG chair rejects a proposal, the PDP allows the proposer to
forward the proposal to the RIPE Chair. This would trigger an
examination of the WG chair's decision. External review always causes
us to examine our actions more seriously, so it seems unlikely that a WG
chair would reject a proposal lightly, as they can be held to account
for their decision.
[Jordi] There is no such thing in the PDP. I would agree that this is a
possible way forward, if the PDP has both aspects made explicit, but none of
them are.
Incidentally, the duty to manage discussion isn't something specific to
RIPE WG chairs - it's a general accepted principle about the rights and
responsibilities of all chairs, regardless of what they're chairing.
There's nothing unusual about the RIPE WG chair duties in this respect.
[Jordi] Again, where is that in the PDP? We can't accept a PDP that we can
interpret in different ways when we (or the chairs) wish.
Nick
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